they said in opening this is what they were going to try to show. i think this rather than even manafort's testimony is where they'll roll all the dice. but he's been very well prepared as he showed on direct. and the key here is for him to very straightforwardly without drama admit to any kind of criminal conduct, give the jury reason to believe him now based on his motivation to reduce his sentence. so he's got to be calm and straightforward about it. i think you'll see a kind of dynamic battle in court and jim will hear if he's there, a sort of sneering, sarcastic aggressive questioning on the one hand by the defense attorney and a very straightforward, flat, yep, that's right by gates himself. so they'll only draw blood, i think, if they convince the jury he is lying now. he did a lot worse things than rick gates -- >> that's what i want to ask you. gates is an admitted criminal and liar who stole from