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he gets stuck on the word "is." bill clinton ultimately lost his law license for lying to the special prosecutor. >> so? >> under oath and was disbarred. >> right. >> on the word "is." if you are an attorney, why would you ever recommend to your client that you sit down and have a conversation that you're not required to have with a member of the opposite side? >> corey, the argument that you're forwarding is no one should ever sit down with anybody and ever answer any questions because they may lie and they may get caught lying so they should never do it? is that a standard for the president of the united states, our highest elected official, a man who is supposed to be the paragon -- >> chris, the standard is very clear. you listen to legal counsel who has expertise in the field that you don't. donald trump is not an attorney. he's listening to his legal counsel. >> he says he knows better than the generals. he knows better than the intelligence community. but now all of a sudden some