what about the soon to be famous mr. judge? he obviously would be someone -- and i don't know which way his testimony would cut. he says he doesn't remember -- or that there was no such action by kavanaugh -- >> here is his quote, this was last week on friday, it's just absolutely nuts. i never saw brett act that way. but he also talks about blacking out a lot in high school from drinking. >> yes, and ms. ford's story is that alcohol played an absolutely key role in all of this, as it does in so many sexual assaults. so, again, you will only know what his testimony is if you listen to it. >> if. and if he testifies. >> exactly. >> i think that's uncertain, although i have to say the pressure today for that seems very similar to the pressure yesterday. if you have professor ford saying she's willing to testify how does the senate not allow it? if you're going to hold a hearing how do you not bring in the person who was the one agreed upon alleged witness here, even though his writings, boy, i mean, do they pop out of the page.