justice, you need to have good judgment and good character. so she clearly thought that this is someone that she should bring it up for that reason. >> do you think, eleanor, same question to you. if he was a 17-year-old kid and again, if her accusations are true, and you believe her side of the story, should that be disqualifying? all of these decades later, after he's proven himself as this family man and this judge and gone through six fbi background checks, came out clean, should that be a disqualifying factor? >> look, i think -- i stand behind her. i think what she did was incredibly brave. she has a lot more to risk than anybody. she came out. she told her story, and she's going to be victimized and demonized because of this. she's going -- what's going to happen to her is going to happen to anita hill. this was 27 years ago, what's happened to anita hill and we've seen that nothing has changed. there's been no progress, because what's happening to her is what's happened to anita hill and she's going to be really demonized and victimized and she's a victim. she's going to be victimized