so i'll take him at his word. but listen, i think it's in brett kavanaugh's interest for his reputation. >> right. >> if he had been voted through on the committee today and voted out, it's bad for brett kavanaugh. he has all these horrible things hang over him, including outrageous allegations by michael avenatti's client. i would want to clear that up. and by the way, i have heard from a very good source today who has been working with brett kavanaugh that he wanted the investigation all along. it was the white house that didn't and hadn't. i'm glad to hear that. >> yesterday, then, because he didn't want to tick off the audience of one that he was speaking to? >> i -- that would be my guess. that would be my guess. >> you mention michael avenatti. let's talk about this. your co-host on the circus, john heilemann has an interview sunday with julie swetnick, one of the kavanaugh's accusers. she claim that brett kavanaugh and his friends assaulted her in high school. so let's take -- well, i'm not sure that's -- she said his