certainly he's acting like he was some kind of conduit, had some back door communication with julian assange sflp but does it prove, shimon, that roger stone was a backchannel link between wikileaks and the campaign? >> i mean, if you just look at these e-mails on their face, you know, you can read a lot into it. and it does seem that way. certainly from his e-mails. but we don't know exactly everything the mueller team has and what other information they have. there are other e-mails from steve bannon where it seems he's not even taking roger stone seriously and he's acting like he knows things and just trying to get inside the trump campaign and perhaps maybe get onto donald trump's good side. it's really not clear because we don't have a full picture. but what's clear is that day in and day out we keep hearing the mueller team is zeroing in, kind of digging in on roger stone. and these e-mails kind of tell us why. >> john, i want to bring you in. because this is what stone told "the new york times." okay? he said he did nothing more than