taints him in terms of his value to the special counsel. if you have a huge volume of financial documents and manafort is saying this is how to interpret this document, this is who was the player on this decision, this is what was happening during the campaign, and then the mueller team can triangula triangulate, get other witnesses and documents to confirm what manafort is saying, i think as a witness a defense attorney is going to go after him, but as an investigator the kinds of color commentary he can provide on things like documents is really still valuable. >> i doubt he will be providing any more of it going forward given where things stand right now. david gregory, the president has handed in his homework assignment, he answered the questions, the written questions, that were given to him by the special counsel about alleged collusion. i just wonder if you are the president and his legal team how you're looking at this right now given that the special counsel just said, do you know what, paul manafort, we caught you lying again. we catch people lying, it's what we do. >> right. >> do you think they're