think he grew tired of me being the guy every day that told him you can't do that. he acts on his instincts and in some respects that looks like impulsiveness, but it's not his intent act on impulse. i think he really is trying to act on his instincts. it was challenging for me coming from the disciplined, highly process-oriented exxon mobil corporation to go to work for a man who is pretty undisciplined, doesn't like to read, doesn't read briefing reports, doesn't like to get into the details of things but rather says, look, this is what i believe. >> i've got david axelrod with me. wow. >> yeah, wow.