he said there. like, can't really do that. that's against international law. things like that. but tillerson knew what he was doing here, that he's poking the bear. i know the chairs are comfy, but that was clearly not a private conversation with tv's bob schaeffer. >> right. but listen to this, ryan. tillerson also talking about president trump's governing style. >> he acts on his instincts, and in some respects, that looks like impulsiveness. but it's not his intent act on impulse. i think he really is trying to act on his instincts. what was challenging for me, coming from the disciplined, highly process oriented exxonmobil corporation to go to work for a man who is pretty undisciplined, doesn't like to read. doesn't read briefing reports. doesn't like to get into the details of a lot of things, but rather just kind of says, look,