elected since 1832. no tory had been elected since 1832 but it voted 65% to leave. among some labor figures there's a fear of the electoral consequences of being seen to deny the electorate what they voted for. i spent three years as foreign minister arguing against a referendum. between 2007 and 2010. why? i quoted mrs. thatcher, referendums are the refuge of dictators and demagogues and in a parliamentary democracy you risk a referendum -- not just risking the result but risking a representative, democratic process. that's what britain is struggling with today. >> but now you think the only way to undo the ill effects of the referendum is to have a second referendum? >> paradoxically. you can't stop the brexit process simply by annulling it. it will take a doubling down. and i would say this, which is important, in ireland, deep questions of national identity, around abortion, gay rights, have been solved with