joining us now, guys thank you so much for being here with simone. we can see how adorable she is. guys, can you just explain to us why the state department doesn't recognize simone as a u.s. citizen? >> well, thank you for having us, first of all. i mean the shorter answer is we don't know why they're not recognizing her as a citizen. we understand their explanation is that they don't see us as a married couple. they're treating her as a child born out of wedlock because we used a donor egg and ivf to create her. >> basically what they're trying to say is because she has a biological connection to the surrogate who is british, though you are both the parents on her birth certificate, she is not a u.s. citizen. is that how you understand it?