25 straight years to when it all came back. >> that was the new york i grew up in. i remember those days. it was not pretty. you say that movements such as defund the police have taken away, not just resources but respect from officers. and i've heard that from officers as well. they feel targeted in their own communities here. given your experience both commanding and being a law enforcement officer yourself, what effect does not that have in terms of the day-to-day of officers. >> you're riding around with one of the toughest precincts. a great commander up there. . you'll see as those cops engage in even the most minor encounter, often they're immediately surrounded by hostile groups with their cell phones trying to catch the cops in a bad moment. and the lack of respect, the lack of fear, if you will, of the police and police ability to interrupt crime and disorder,