leo learn from him the young person so he had all that knowledge to start over with and in the one nine hundred twenty s. when you listen to leo's playing the reed are so like to be blown very sweet so it's the balance of the reeds which is the real secret. keegan has been making ellen pipes for some twenty years he'll learn the craft from his grandfather working ebony and artificial ivory requires the utmost care and patience. it's a labor intensive process and completing an entire set of pipes can take up to a year. keegan also takes great care with the reeds. heart of the instruments hard to read. this what makes the sound on the melody chanters the most difficult it's really part of point making this takes years to