newspaper. they don't know. they are not stupid. they are just in a world that doesn't include public affairs and things like that. but, this con descension that we hear. mar and -- you would agree. now, what does that get the progressive cause? these are all progressive guys, all right? these are all far left guys. does that persuade anybody? that's right, we are all bill maher a nation of dodos so we will go and think like you do. >> it's certainly not good public relations for the progressive cause. it doesn't mean that we shouldn't take the truth value from that and move forward. i will give you a perfect example. last week that major poll that said that all these americans disagreed with health care. they disagreed with health care reform. when you went bit by bit and piece by piece they agreed with the legislation. >> bill: it's those poll questions that you can pick apart. let's get back to the persuasion aspect. you would think that progressives wiseberg and cline