establishment frontrunner in a party that is increasingly being taken over by the tea party, and i might add, tucker, bob casey made a speech that was compelling in 1992 in support of the prolife position and helped support clinton so -- >> was bob casey allowed to speak at the convention? >> yes, he was. >> so bob casey represents a large percentage of elected democrats? no, he doesn't. i mean, abortion is a central plank of the democratic party, the democratic party takes money from abortion providers, as you know. i mean, this is -- what it means to be democrat is to a large extent being prochoice this we know. >> i'm just suggesting the democrats have a panthera and republicans don't. >> that is ludicrous! >> it depends upon whom you ask. gentlemen, we are going to have to leave it there. thank you very much, doug schoen, tucker karlson. we'll talk again soon. these debates are not going to end, certainly moment. we're going to hear a lot