first of all, it's getting pretty brutal out there. well, is that good for the process? bad for the process? what do you think? >> well, we need healthy competition for the process. but healthy. it has to be done in a professional way, sean. i mean, we're republicans. and we want to take the white house back. >> sean: i'm actually a registered conservative. >> i'm sorry, a conservative. i don't think governor perry is going to be governor romney's chance for v.p. >> they don't like each other and i will tell you this reminds me a lot of when gephart did the murder suicide thing on my guy howard dean in iowa in 2004. >> sean: was that before or after the rah. >> before the rah and what caused it because perry is going to go out. got $55 million in a super pack. my guess is he is going to spend every dime of that trashing romney and romney is going to be forced to come back in kind. and you're likely to see neither one of them get the nomination.