>> steve, you think that newt gingrich has at ing here and a bounce out of south carolina? >> i look, the victory that we think it will be. yeah, i think that helps him. he's trying to raise money off of this. and i talked to a top advisor and said newt is in through the convention and staying in and established himself as a conservative alternative to mitt romney . what the campaign was about from last pring until voters started to actually cast votes on january 3rd in iowa is who that nonmitt romney candidate would be. if newt gingrich is right and it settles on him. that is an if. he does stick around for eye while. >> do we overestimate the importance . debates. bret, you and i talked about it before the show. 17 debate there will be three