else. he vitally needs -- that is vladimir putin, he vitally needs ukraine, if not directly under his thumb, at least adhering to his will. >> yes, well, he wants ukraine substantively for the natural resources, but psychologically, ukraine is very important to russia, always has been. even when the soviet union was dissolving, that was one of the major concerns for what was left of the russian empire, what was going to happen to ukraine. >> we're getting words that the u.s. is going to recommend they pull back in the region. wendell goler, how forceful can the administration even be about that outside of strongly urging it? >> neil, i'm sorry, i didn't hear your question. >> i apologize. i jumped on you there. we're hearing that the white house is going to recommend that all troops, russian troops, pull back from the premier region. that might be easier said than
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