pilot michael allen and buzz aldrin who would walk on the moon with armstrong. there was a lot of gossip back and forth, how it ended up neil armstrong was the first. it was felt that you were supposed to be the first right? >> there was an uncertainty every e.v.a. is always done by the junior person. the senior person has the responsibility for the much more requirement. it would seem to me that the outside activities should be the job of the junior person. >> who was that supposed to be? was it going to be you? was it going to be armstrong? >> there's a lot of discussion about the commander leading his troops somewhere. and the commander is the symbolic person. neil was closer to the door.