them in the campus computer center, and we learned how to do stuff on the max, but again, we had to teach ourselves. this was at 90 ago. >> tom: about his politics, was he comfortable with your politics, did he share your ninth wave feminism? >> andy: i don't the key would consider himself ninth wave feminist even today. i was may be fourth or fifth wave back then. this was a long time ago. one of the things we founded, we didn't want it to be an alternative voice, we wanted it to be a bunch of alternative voices. among the four founders, there were conservatives, me, the libertarian, a guy who considered himself a socialist. >> tom: i think i've called it the no spin zone.
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