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together to do for all kid what we know is possible, thanks to the example of numbers of charter schools and growing numbers of traditional schools as well. >> it was so difficult, my mom taught for 25 years in an inner city school, very, very difficult to get resources. also the union was an important component in being able to help all of these students here. talk about unions and how they're working with teachers to achieve what you'd like to achieve. >> well, ooh think ultimately, you know unions cropped up initially to represent, as you say, the interests of some of the most fundamental people in the picture, our teachers. i think what's happens is we've got a deeply systemic problem here where, as i mentioned, kids face extra challenges and they're showing up at school systems that arguably haven't had the mission historically of putting kids who face extra challenges on a level playing field. so we've got to move beyond blaming any one group in the system. i think what we're seeing in

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