secretary of state deals with, but he redefined it and said this is not about revenge on the vanquished. we are going to rebuild the vanquished. i was in europe and i saw the effect of the marshall plan, which goes on for decades and decades. and hillary clinton in redefining security and calling it inclusive security has changed the nature. >> right. but i think with the marshall plan the key distinction was there was a conceptual -- a reconceptualization that was married to a real policy and money. the question with hillary clinton are the reconceptualization that she's articulated been married to a change in u.s. policy. >> one of the big developments of the bush administration vis-a-vis foreign policy was whether the department of defense took such a leading role. what's been interesting in the obama cabinet is the institutions have pretty much continued that relationship, which is -- so if you like george w. bush's running of foreign policy, there's a lot to like in the obama administration. >> you're saying in terms of the