mila whiley is here and josh fox and francis president of the national resources events counsel. i want to start with you. often we hear the president is constrained by congress, by all the other forces he's facing. in this case, this is the president's call. >> yes, it is. the president has to decide whether this is in the national interest. the state department is going to do the environmental review. it's completed and on the president's desk. it is his decision to decide whether this is in the national interest or not. it's not because of the climate of locations that you just described. >> the claim, josh, there are jobs. the national interest is a short term interest based on jobs. how do we balance this game over for the climate next to jobs? >> there are more jobs in the energy sector. what i want to say is i come