>> we already know. >> what? >> we saw. we conducted the experiment. we saw apple with steve jobs. we saw apple without steve jobs. we saw apple with steve jobs. now we are going to see apple without steve jobs. >> so ellison and jobs i should say were close friends. nonetheless in terms of the stock today, apple is back above 200 and moving average for the first time this year and hitting a six-month high. so clearly, at this stage, is not having a negative impact. >> maybe much anticipation for the upcoming new iphone. everybody is buzzing about billionaire inventor here. >> i would be the first person to put my hand up and dogo. he was the cofounder of paypal and the electric car company testla and he has shown off the