believe that. >> i believe what the report told me. terry? >> getting back to david sampson, do you think his step down was played out -- >> no. >> in other words -- >> no, i don't think it was essential, but he did. and so he called me this afternoon and told me that if you're going to have a chance to institute these type of reforms, i think you have to have somebody in there who will be able to take a brand-new look at this and not have to worry about the things in the past and so i'm going to go. now like i said in response to the earlier question over here, this comes as no great shock to me, terry, because david started talking to me a year ago about wanting to leave and the only reason he stayed is because i asked him to. it didn't come as a shock to me this morning that he called me and said it. i didn't expect the call this morning. so that was a shock to me.