trump. >> yeah. >> and is somehow shirking our duties. >> i've been thinking about this a lot this week. this is the week we really saw the difference between donald trump as a candidate and donald trump as the president. because during the campaign, the press could call him out but there were no stakes because it was just comments from the stump speech. now that he's the president, we can evaluate, he has a record, we can hold him accountable and that doesn't compute. i think the same formula that helped him get elected does not work as a governing philosophy. >> he seems to -- first of all, he'll spend hours with maggie haberman and wants to sit down with editorial boards and talk and talk and talk. what is this about? >> it's about a symbiotic relationship. donald trump, remember, is a reality tv star. without the attention, without tv cameras and all the press, there is no there there.