now and at the end of the day leaders don't feel comfortable standing behind anybody? >> i think forgiveness is a long process. forgiveness involves admitting what you did, involves restitution to the women. involves coming clean. so i'm not ready for forgiveness, chuck. i also think we've gotten a little farther in this conversation without mentioning the name blake fahrenthold to actually used taxpayer dollars. >> just like john conyers. >> to settle a claim with an employ employee. this woman on the record said her career was ruined because of hi experience being sexually abused by him. she is now baby-sitting. no longer on capitol hill. that was in the "washington post" yesterday. i haven't heard a word about -- >> i have been stunned. what are they protecting blake farenthold for? bizarre to me that -- it's on the record. they have an accuser on tv.
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