Yes. Its all talk of it welcome to come to exult thank you for your escalating rounds with the e. U. And other bodies you seem determined to take this to a major rift why. Reviews to work here ask ali have you improved yeah a lot of which i dont think are appropriate here because. We see tendencies in the Decision Making procedures in the life of the European Union we dont like we name that theres been our politics policy making for the past seven years there are major bones of contention and yes that is the only way in our belief that our experience to sort out a real problem is to name that now and that is talk about them in a frank manner in a way that can assure that at the end of the discussion if you like to debate a fierce debate at times the solution is that intelligence very reasonable the way your discussing it but actually its not getting any better is it and you yourself have said the fight is just at the beginning thanks to the debate as youre about it there are issues and topics in which you are going to be unrelenting. So youre prepared for an agent if you have to find were going to go for it one lesson weve learned for the past seven years not necessarily in the field or in the by the topic of illegal migration which is in the focus for the past three years economic matters our own constitution it was worth taking the fight because at the end of the day turned out that we were right and we dont like to be vindicated thats not very wise if you are a politician or even if you run the country still thats a lesson we have learned for the past seven years the commission has launched an infringement proceedings against hungry treatment of migrants refugees like your march twenty seven thousand the side of the law restrictions on Civil Society organizations legal reforms the dominance of as they put it of progovernment media these are serious issues out there and theyre not giving away yet weve seen so many topics so many charges rather against hungary for the past seven years that again this is nothing new so we go for them because you dont take them seriously we didnt i mean how can you how can you take it more serious than you to go for a legal debate because and at the end of the day its going to be sorted out legally and you went to the European Court of justice liturgy to. They turned down a question on whether it was possible legally to make a decision like that back in two thousand and fifteen in face of decisions about a mandatory quote yes falling for if something in place of two previous decisions on behalf of the heads of state which clearly said no to that we face a problem here we have knowledge the decision because apparently legally it was possible to do so but immediately we face a very serious political and yet again legal problem and you acknowledge the decision thats right your foreign minister actually is on record saying politics has raked european law and rate European Values this decision practically openly legitimizes the power of the e. U. Above the member status ready and then thats what the setting aside that inflammatory language what kind of e. U. Did you think you belong to well there we face a serious political issue which eventually becomes a legal issue and that is how the decision is darn hard decisions are made in the European Union that this is nothing new well you knew that the e. U. Member states have no legal right to resist those orders and thats a real problem because i get that again goes against the most important word idea philosophically if you like within the european that is consensus if its possible to do so and up to this members are required to accept the judgment of the e. U. Times given it is possible to go around even legally rightly go around political consensus in your opinion that doesnt make sense that it. And then what happened back in two thousand and fifteen in fleet of e. U. Law takes precedence over domestic law in the e. U. You e. U. Law is part of domestic law yet you have to you have to involve you in arcade it into your law if you want to engage in a legal that we all know that even though its a particular law as it is being called its not International Law it is as if its right and lawful it is incorporated into the Member States legal system and thats where we face a problem because for the past seven years even more we face a tendency and that is the stealth mode of Decision Making and on the formulation and on the standing of legal possibilities in the your opinions and Decision Making process that is tending to overwrite what is in the treaty but thats nothing new i mean the other states of experience there that you didnt read the small print they do when you join the e. U. If its nothing new for you its probably not for us it is because you know there are limits there are red lines weve drawn around suddenly decided what they are now we suddenly bump into some Serious Problems and that is our sovereignty who shall decide who listen to the accident and thats right about that gratitude be a lesson actually to brussels bureaucracy because its. Not a cause its an outcome of problems regarding the relationship of brussels of his of the longer but you went to the court to see if they would overturn the ruling the mandatory quotas they didnt so you accepted the jurisdiction of the court as i do that and the court turned you down now you dont accept the result and we have accepted the you have acknowledged the result even the obvious that region of accept it we have a changing and we have you have acknowledged that legally it was possible to make a temporary decision on temporary measurement which we believe again politically is not right because that goes against the consensus on the higher political level we still believe that the highest political Decision Making body European Union is the Council Michel my point my point is. You are not going to accept those quotas are you we are not going to accept the court that thats despite the ruling of the court because you were locked up because you are bad losers that no no the question is not you went to the court court told you that you are a bad loser but a bad loser would be to sacrifice his lot of things even when but be a second finally lot of things for a reason and that is there to sovereignty issue. Even in temporary decision we are not accepting any composite of decision who shall live together in a country we have never given up at that element of our summer and were never going to give it give it up and we still whatever it takes however fire you have to push this is we are going to use all political and legal means actually to go against that thats right in march last year your Prime Minister spoke condescendingly of flocks of obsessed human rights defenders feeling the overwhelming urge to reprimand us and make allegations against us and thats been the case for the past couple of years thats where you you join the club you sign up to various commitments theyre going to review your progress thats thats the point of joining the club why complain about it. Im trying to every drawing terms on them and everybody comes on the period of about doing to move this discussion into some something reasonable its our vision of how to take human rights how the soft elements of a corporation in the European Union. Law constitutional issues are going a breeze the principle and if you dont like being held to account you know know it and then thats not the thats not the case the think is that the sense that human rights defenders you dont we want to we want to avoid making it go you want to avoid code review we want to avoid that something and interpretation is sticking all over the right sense of the word we have agreed to and thats what is happening the point about this is that. You dont feel that the europe you joined is a valid europe any more you say your government now apparently sees itself as protector of European Values your Prime Minister said twenty seven years ago here in Central Europe we believe that europe was our future today we feel that we are the future so why do such as you what you suggested here this from a man who boasted in twenty fourteen i want to enter breaking with the dogmas and ideologies that have been adopted by all question suggested something which is completely untrue. We are not breaking away from the European Values and the perception we had we stick to it and thats the difference others are trying to make is Something Different we have agreed to you believe that you are the future of europe we believe that that hunger thats quite a tall order for one goal geopolitical but hunger is not standing alone i mean if you take a look as for the past especially two years what are the bad boys in the European Union you can name them better lets lets talk serious the Central European country is eventually more than ten years after their accession to the European Union has come to their. Full fledged perception of how they believe the opinion should be working and i believe this is something new there are some european powers divest a Member States have to cope with and that is Central European countries for an obvious reason that is historical source of logical economic reasons a legacy we carry here have a say and different say about how we think about the opinion and you should better listen listen to it its not against europe its a different slightly different vision actually where i should have said listen to it yet while im in the west is turning down what you stand for your illiberal democracy in april even the center right grouping in the European Parliament the p. P. P. Which includes your party for this warned you that it would not accept any basic freedoms being restricted or the little rule of law being nobodys recent and if you dont that theyre not buying your explanations are there they are by weve weve been through that for a past couple of years and saying the economy very able to prove that we have to hang on in line with european regulations as a matter of fact sticking better or more to the regulatory lines or out lines that have been there and others we are able to refurbish our economy so there are lessons western europe should if not learn at least take a look because they took a look at they dont like it it made it up. Aliment condemned what it called a serious deterioration of the rule of law like mad democracy many fundamental rights and so this is the name of the game if its about cooperation and discussion the end of the day you have to reach consensus its impossible that the best in European Countries because states group of states enforces something and others what they dont like so thats not going to work and thats that if you ask about the potential you know that youre a member of a club and the club has rules and youre not accepting the rule but the rules should be based on consensus. Based on majority action again consensus here is very important palooza you trump it your european while yours in the us is telling you were not buying political consensus goes beyond simple majority give a half start for the belgian Prime Minister not raise the rebellion so hes a great friend of hungary yes thats right yeah he said you signed up to the values of the union you have violated every single word. My question is. Is a great friend of hungary and being ironic here hes been accusing us hes been throwing us various things which have nothing to do with reality but the thing is again hes not alone in that in europe is not alone in his criticism city his now but he belongs to one particular cell the lines really lies you Human Rights Organization this also is your own n. G. O. S criticize the socalled liberal mindset obviously doesnt like what happens here in hungary because we go against their dogma which is trying to. Ensure that all achievements in the European Union are being called liberal thats what we deny coming back to your liberal party you know theres a very nice sentence on behalf of the Prime Minister which are took us a couple of years to formulate very shortly but its very nice and this is liberalism is when its not the liberals who when the elections and i believe this is what we talk about here political differences a different mindset is not to put all the right what they are the real nature of europe in Decision Making and how the future of europe and that is everything is based on consensus and consensus is more than a simple majority mistake of a ship why bother with if youre determined to break with it dogma or and ideologies as you put it why bother it is it just the money the five point six billion new get that was its billion euros you get every year because it doesnt money thats another favorite point here which is being brought up if you take a look at how hunger is corporate in with european institutions and the european integration it would be made because hungary with campaigns like lets hope brussels and economic brussels in most issues i would rather say that ninety five percent of those issues actually we have consensus on and we Work Together hungary is fully cooperating as a man i think will be worth five million six billion euros a year when youre running campaigns directly against the organization that gives you this money you bring in here another topic which has nothing to do with human rights and the soft elements of corporations you mean the cohesion funds and the support hungary and other European Countries mostly center on the Eastern European but also southern European Countries received from the budget and not a gift. As a matter of fact they go back to the very foundations of the European Union and they tend to gloss or rather than the goal the task is to close the gap between the Development Differences in the your pena we have opened up our markets disadvantaged position for the best in europe youve opened up your market your staging what your Prime Minister called a revolution against the alliance of the bureaucrats brussels the liberal media and the insatiable finances if its also the rotten in brussels and the finances so insatiable why keep on taking their money have you have you ever been involved in running the state even see a town or a large of recovering bodies you know that going against through a crecy is a legitimate call. Brok assistance to ukraine brussels as rock yes because in many in many respects the what the writers name with it why not go with it you put a kind i have recently exit you put the question which have never never been raised by the anger in government if you take a look at the governments position of behavior that hungary and populations support for the european idea values its unquestionable so its a false argument its a force narrative that is being used against us. Are not going to play that game when i dont but chancellor merkel has already suggested that you may have financial penalties to cope with that the a. T. M. Machine is going to be switched off evidently shes already said anyone who rejects this solidarity she means side with the migrants must accept that this will not be without consequences including for negotiations of the future Financial Support yet again you cry out for that youre trying to suggest here something which i just simply not true again when programming you what you said that should have or what is coming from the western European Countries what is coming from the european budget to hunger in countries like is not a gift it is to ensure their equal access to that market competitiveness and other the issues can be achieved and for there for that reason as a matter of fact the cohesion francis them that is the money coming here and mostly going back to western europe is a mutually beneficial construction. Now take a look at mr at ingers words at some point maybe a year ago he was very clear about the benefit of the beneficial nature of the creation that you let people in your put that money that money is going both of us in europe and there are people going on behind you like party who seem to want to head for the exit but a man called salt by probably didnt care and thats his name correctly he said in july on the local t. V. Station here if the e. U. Continues along its current path then we have to leave the union leave this whole scalding pigsty as he put it we need to get the hell out we have to close our borders and let the rest of them rot he said buyer is not a member of the government is a cofounder of your party sure but he doesnt have a value of the good guys bad again hes probably loners if you try to put up here a completely misleading and force narrative. And you want to accept that sort of those quote i dont know what you want to sap that there are legitimate claims legitimate issues on which we have to talk differently especially in the light of what happened with the European Union for the past ten fifteen years and then youre seriously wrong because when we name problems when we call for issues which are not with the main stream in European Public opinion especially the liberal Public Opinion or liberal political opinion. We like that fight because we believe that thats a territory where the fight should be done you like of might also you like a fight also about christian values dont you. You cant deny cl