Attempted to take over the organizations most important functions but was blocked by a court in benghazi and he said we intend to remain neutral until there is a single legitimate government we can submit to let me clarify that and hes saying that there is and he can find you know but you have to you have to know the reality of this the National Commission has or has certain responsibilities that its inherited to fill in the gap that there was no oil ministry. Now while ministry is something that is under the Government Institution or as the other the management of the government this is something that they took on to of years past when there was no oil ministry when we came in we only asked to take as a government these responsibilities they cannot put to the policies of libya towards the Oil Companies and how to deal with it but they dont trust you as a government they dont regard you as a legitimate government is the guardian of the most important resources that libya has yes but the us and theyre saying theyre waiting already well think of the surgery to mcgovern i dont yet have all the wealth of the oil is coming through there are the government and we are distributing it in the country if that was true we wouldnt have been able to do that International Community in june he wrote this and you know thats not the way he said it thats not the context thats the quote im taking the quote and if that was the case how come then all the revenue is coming through there g. N. A. T. Sure through our government how come that were able to sell all the oil revenue if that was the truth thats not thats thats not in the context of how francis arrives blames the u. N. For not on freezing the countrys assets in particular the soviet wealth fund some sixty seven billion dollars well look he told the u. N. Libya needed the assets to sustain it and thats what he said at the u. N. Libyan frozen assets we did not call for and freezing it because we know that its not a time for that we called for unfreezing the management of the frozen assets its totally different were losing one billion dollars a year because were not able to manage it not to unfreeze it we know were not in a steady state to unfreeze these assets and thats what we called for in the u. N. And the u. N. Sanctions committee its not money thats going to sustain libya business. Its a unity of purpose compromised democracy correct things that you dont have and these are the main problems true why you dont have an economy at the moment thats properly funded where do you buy that country that has divided institutions. Over and institutions are divided when you call when you talk about two Central Banks divided its not the responsibility of the government to unite the central bank its a sovereign thing that is related to the house of representatives and the state council according to the libyan political agreement this is the legislative body that is responsible of this over and. It doesnt help when the Prime Minister keeps promising more than he can actually deliver it as what in september he told the un that all libyan parties were ready to deal with the challenges facing the country thats simply not true is it ready to deal with it doesnt mean that its resolving that thats why were having were just at st weeks fighting earlier in october around a loyal and gas installation west of tripoli absolutely we have the airport closed and absolutely second third week in october any country with conflict with the airport when there is spread of weapons all around the country thats the challenge were facing were doing dear the our programs in order to resolve this but we cannot do it with one hand six years and theres still. The airport we were in six years youre not saying you owe us is where we are and that was the genesis of the overthrow of the advantage we did by coming in and this timing is to save libya real civil war if you look of the amount of weapons spread out in all cities in libya and you see the number of conflicts that happened around whether you talk about tripoli and all other cities were actually saved libya a lot doesnt mean we resolve the problems but its like staying on the balance of edge you know its very hard to maintain your balance on a rope when youre walking on it but to still challenging you a worsening cash crisis absolutely market currency exchanges smuggling power outage and absolutely and violence as we were talking about a muslim but youre not doing anything about these things you know but youre clearly were not doing you can seem very complacent about no no no because when you know where you are responsible is the hold our government has other institutions and all the world that are responsible certain things we dont put the monetary policies that will solve the problem of the black market thats the central bank wrong we dont have an oversight. I understand there was a point of having a government than the government thats the point you cannot for work alone youre not supposed to be youre supposed to be holding these institutions to account we dont government has overall you know executive power what you say you have control of the state institutions not the sovereign situation being that you havent no sovereign institutions in the world have already thats the separation of powers we cannot interfere in that part we can put policies for economy but we cannot due to fear for example on how to we can give advice on how to change the issue of the Exchange Rate for example or the development of the dinner but we cannot apply it if the central bank and other authorities that are sovereign are not actually accepting it while you make these arguments people in libya losing hope on the published polls by the libya herald october the eighteenth showed a massive ninety one percent of people accusing the government of failing to deliver on the aims of the revolution ninety two percent believing that corruption is actually worse now than it was i agree with these figures and this is unheard of from the past seven years so if youre talking to me about of the story and telling me the story about seven years i would fully agree with you and this is the post conflict as in every countries when there is a centralized dictatorship centralized on a person and without proper institution and collapse all of a sudden with weapons spread around this is the time a typical result you get and thats why weve been going into talks the Political Awareness of the people is minimum because they never got a chance to even be vocal about what they wanted to express themselves this is a new to phase in libya youre not offering people anything that they can believe in we have more people apparently supporting gadhafi son safe al islam ten percent that have faith in a consensus government seven percent so theres a huge lack of faith you know your guys misandrous farrago and there was a minority years of ruling with one party so definitely you will have this number of supporters if not even more so where maybe you should let him rule thats. At the point thats why we want elections and when we have elections and Fair Elections let People Choose who they want this is the first person and the only person who called for free elections was president sorrows and even as early as march if we want to stay in power we wouldnt have called for this but you see that so many others are opposing it because they know theyre going to lose their chair but we dont were not looking that way were not thinking that way what chance is there of having elections when you cant even agree on drafting a constitution thats why im telling you if you talk to me as a government thats something were not involved in if you dont as a libyan i would tell you that our constitution has been offered there is a dispute in the courts and terms of the mechanism that it was rolled out it has been going on for three years and we raided the Constitutional Assembly on the day when they actually were just crazy thats exactly the problem with this thing responsible for providing because you are seeing on the east were not controlling the east that was on the eastern side this is other people thats the division of libya you have to look at the geography and general how after who controls the east thats the fact you had negotiations with them only sporadic negotiations with them but they havent did they havent brought any progress there thats why they have a joint statement in paris and some clue where they both called for elections the problem is that i was really into have to change his mind didnt he reuters quoted him as saying any ceasefire was limited he had no interest in elections and mr government of National Accord which is represented was in the grip of terrorists so so much for the agreement that you got in paris now i think that the way to put it is that there is a problem of trust all around and with special figures as well but what is good is that if you look at the people not the politicians they all want a new stage and a new start. Which is something around elections and new parliament and a new executive body that is separate from the legislative the problem that happened in libya the biggest mistake since twenty eleven all the bodies that came in whether its the Transitional Council whether its called the General Assembly what is called the house of representatives and mix the executive power with the legislative so the president of the house is the president has executive or power as well which messed up on libya how can you possibly have elections when you havent got security you need security is a prerequisite is your duty you dont have an oversight body for elections you dont have an entity thats going to provide people with the security for knowing that these would be Fair Elections that you know how it thats a good point the security today is not worse than what it was in twenty fourteen where we had elections what were saying is that the u. N. And the International Community this is our advice should bring back of the momentum and have these political talks rather than talking about amendments to diverted towards a vocal see for these elections and having the stability to reach a Credible Elections you really think that whichever side loses these elections is going to accept it because everywhere you look there is a failure by libyans to see beyond their own factional interest is not that its something that we have to go through theres no guarantee thats true and you know realty to think of the good of the nation rather than the good of themselves Boris JohnsonBritish Foreign secretary who visited recently summed it up today when he said politicians in libya need to suppress their own selfish interests and compromise for the good of the country but theyre nowhere near doing that theres no country that came out of dictatorship for forty or more years never had the chance for proper democracy and you expect it to come in day and night and understand what even democracy means you know certainly did in egypt they certainly did in Eastern Europe when they emerge from the east bloc it wasnt something easy as well they had their conflicts and they had their problems they werent fighting really airport six years after the revolution thats not our oil werent there are a. Conflicts all around the world if you go to latin america if you go to africa these are countries that went through these similar phases you libya is a unique case as well the way it was ruled is very unique everyone knows that what im trying to say that in order to achieve a democracy you need more democracy you cannot say that because im not sure about the security situation we dont fix it and we dont have elections thats not the way we tried for two years you have cars or house elections and then you have fighting about dirt really where does that get you thats the point the dynamics now are different the armed groups and those militias are exhausted its a different even regional players have their different styles probably theyve been fighting around the airport this month i dont want this is the point you have exhausted all you have to understand what part of this was what type of conflict this was there are a lot of problems this is a criminal act that was around the airport for you to know and you can check that out it was not a political driven armed group this is something that was cleaning up criminals we have that all around im not denying the fact that we have a challenge we have arms in every single home with this is a problem perhaps misalliance is mean perhaps democracy just isnt for you. Citizen feel perhaps name me one country that ended up with democracy in new york part of the world that did not go in a civil war this is something that is the result with the rest of the arab world what happened to the arab spring we have strongmen absolutely no these countries status of their it it isnt this whats going to happen in libya as well but this is the point after thats what i was saying after a true dictatorship for multiverse decades this is what you get as a result because its a sudden collapse and people are not used to it but theyre not enough people here at least on the surface doesnt seem as though there are enough people here to put aside their own interests and worry about the common good isnt that the problem that is one of the problems is not only one the negative interference from regional players and International Players and the competition by these countries in libya as a proxy to their own issues is a dramatic issue that is causing us a lot of trouble if they just lift their hands from libya and let us deal with it we werent even in a better isnt that just looking for someone else to blame tell me where the weapons come from do you think these are the weapons of gadhafi no thats a serious issue certainly apart from your own internal politics and internal squabbles and violence there are huge concerns about your treatment of migrants in libya in february e. U. Leaders agreed to a controversial plan that stem the flow of migrants from from libya but weve seen them subject since then to massive abuse and your coast guard actually sometimes shoots at them i mean what what kind of treatment is this what kind of humanity is this in libya first of all youre putting issues that are not necessary the full facts i will tell you for example when the all the europe is talking about fighting or combating illegal migration where theyre coming out of their countries and their ultimate. Target is to reach europe not libya were just a passage and were a country of conflict. Were a country were divided we have limited resources how do you expect us to deal with this flood where even europe is not able to manage it if theyre not youre saying that it has you dont have sufficient resources you coast guards around you no thats not true thats not actually a few gee thats not true thats not true well this is from the high commissioner for human rights know last month zaid. We never he never said that we were shooting he said you have a coast guard that sometimes rescue migrants this is exactly what you have a coast guard that sometimes rescues migrants in distress but sometimes chooses not to like the musicians on shore coast guards also sometimes beat rob and even shoot the migrants they intercept this is a direct quote from him. Let me tell you the facts are you saying he knows nothing no i didnt see him as most i said is we dont shoot migrants what were doing is trying to apply our sovereign rules and regulations and by saving their lives and bringing them back this is an International Agreement this is an e. U. Libya agreement weisel for years there was just a few operations do them why are there now are those why dont they let the migrants flow go to it to italy and to europe themselves so its not part of the agreement to beat them up and nobody is in a detention nobody said well do that makes also front year says the detention of migrants is rotten to the core a thriving enterprise of kidnapping torture and extortion migrants are locked up women and girls are being beaten and raped by the guards men are being beaten up there are definite this is under your care you know this could not let me put it this way there are definitely some certain occasions where some things like this could happen again they did happen that people dont make the story i did i said it could happen but its not the norm its not a look at the numbers look at the numbers in front of the challenges that we have look at then when you talk about two hundred thousand migrants coming into libya and nobodys looking about protecting our south and border theyre only looking at the shores of libya thats where there is international sponsibility should come in that when theyre not giving us enough resources where were divided we have frozen assets we dont have the funds even to build in Detention Centers that we can work i understand these are just an excuse the abuse that is nobody im just telling you that the more numbers you have using what you have in this information as an excuse im giving you why they are beaten up and im giving you the facts that will cause a lot of problems that we dont have the resources even to manage these Detention Centers all around libya was a lack of humanity that this there is shows no straight this is something that proves that we are in a serious trouble that we need a lot of support to fix the conflict in libya how is it that you people can treat migrants this way people. Treated with such incredible cruelty people have nothing. Of feeling war trying to get somewhere else and yet theyre beaten up and raped in your Detention Centers its not something that is common dont show it as if its something all around it is cases there are cases which we dont accept thats true but look at the Bigger Picture look how many lives we saved look how many this is recognized even with the same resources you have and you dont think this is damaging to your rep it is a country and its something that we dont accept and we have libyans that also we heard about this is its not only accept it what are you doing thats the issue we have our minister of interior working on it we have our Civil Society worki