Transcripts For DW Interview - Duzen Tekkal Anger And Grief

DW Interview - Duzen Tekkal Anger And Grief Are The Mainspring Of My Work. November 26, 2017

They know what like they know what we think. And soon theyll even know how we feel. Well im not a real person im still just a piece of Software Scientists around the world are working to measure our emotions. So hopefully i can be a helpful piece assault with a virtual person as a therapist or a robot as a teacher neither would have human empathy. What does the machine need to do to create empathy and a medical context when i disclose more information to a person or to computer in this case. Algorithms phin stead of feelings measuring emotion starting december sixteenth t w. I was in town you were born in Hanover Germany to parents who were kurdish immigrants from talking will be speaking about immigration and human rights welcome to the d w interview thats. Mr what do you most value about germany. Basically my whole life starting with. Some i consider. Doing what feels right getting up in the morning being. Able to work without having to worry about losing a job. Asking if something is alone. And i feeling a freedom is what motivates me. Its the first myth that. Came to germany in one thousand nine hundred eighty five. Persecuted religious minority your father was also a guest worker sort of themselves more to be immigrants or religious refugees. Christian. Definitely felt like they were religious refugees i still remember when i was three when the first t. V. Turned. Talked about us being immigrants. The question was always. Where are they from are they really person. Thats been my father began with the activism that i continue. Thats. Your father father was a floor time your mother was illiterate you have ten siblings today you are a political scientist and journalist you write books thanks to him. And so forth. Thank you many people as is always the case when people have a half way success in life. Thanks to the majority of society to the solidarity around me growing up with my teachers neighbors. My mother couldnt read or write we had to find other ways but my parents instilled a spirit of doing the best with the chances we had even if we didnt have any. Moment. I always said we have to put two hundred percent of it. And ive taken that time. When. He was in the social Democrat Party took you to the lower saxony parliament. To being boring for another four year old not for you. Because youve heard this had this thing from real impact on me as a minority within a minority as a religious minority and because of my nationality i understood quickly that what we had here was special democracy parliament. And my father was passionate when he explained to me that this was where german laws were made and that people could express their opinion freely this had such an emotional impact on me. With. The mark. Politicized you would wipe out in two thousand and fourteen you decided to go to iraq to report about being massacred. So. You gave up a permanent job but. Your first. Decision was what was behind it if you could call. That universal basic decision and it had little to do with nationality or background it was basically about the question am i living my life right. Sound a bit pretentious but thats how it was i resigned a few months before the genocide even though i didnt have a plan b. I realized i was needed and i wanted to report on my religion something my father has always wanted me to do. No one was interested but we turned us into a story and a macabre way. And i was ready because i knew the story wanted to go. So it was like crazy to go there but people here wanted to hear the story himself on. Traumatized people you witnessed extreme suffering terrible stories what feelings did this elicit in you you know. I thought i hadnt changed but my friends say i have. My last trip to a war zone in iraq was two months ago. I went back with the woman who had been captured by us we went to the terrible place where they had carried out a massacre where she had lost a relative. Or i was impressed by the strength she gained through catharsis. She looked into the camera and said in german im stronger than i am as a boy. That was very moving and when we came back a friend told us that the iraqi woman had become a different person but that i had also changed and i looked exhausted of course Something Like this changes im very easygoing a very warm open is i still am but now i cant forget everything at night it all stays with me but it also drives my work. The anger the grief the resilience everything i brought back from this hell these are the foundations of my work. This is also my task for society here for my homeland germany to report from hell to raise awareness about why its so important to campaign for peace of mind with the. One with the with this with people who came from. The gulf and im youve written a book about migration called germany is under threat but it sounds a bit like the afghan leader but you mean something very different. With the democrat i think criticized for writing a book with this title talking about the values that. We have to defend but my response is why should we leave these questions to the rabble rousers and rightwing populists because i wrote them from the perspective of a religious minority that had to look islam islam in the alley. But i also talk about angry twins and say that right wing extremists are doing the same as religious extremists extremists. In twenty fifteen and it still holds true today. This ones going to bore you didnt shy away from talking about it thank refugees and more about islamic indoctrination. Because you didnt want criticism of certain issues to be the sole domain of the far right mr mccarthy was. The first and i say quite clearly that i dont want to serve the right this plays no role. In this this is a criticism that i have why is this always a factor so i dont understand why you dont try to judge things according to healthy common sense without censorship. I also try to help my native german friends. I know that certain topics are to be. With them to point to get the. Example. For example if someone talks about certain aspects of a subject they might be misinterpreted. And i think this is wrong because it means that we can be blackmailed into not. Noticing that after talk shows im reduced to the years e. G. Who is a devil worshipper the germans do not say. Its too easy to just keep mum because were scared of being criticized. Because if we have to be very open and honest when we approach certain questions that affect our lives together. And say that there are of course differences between refugees and that refugees are not a monolithic block by block the. So talk about the left wing liberals of yesteryear do you mean. Like that well thats exaggerated of course but in my book i talked about the angry twin on the religious extremism and right wing populism. Maybe there should be a third attribute so to speak that would be the left wing liberal spectrum but there are differences there is well i dont like the way that migrants always reduce to the role of victim which is what actually happens in the ideology of multiculturalism. There is a danger of relativism. I often have the impression and im not alone that people from my world who are also active in this area said that they do not receive enough support when they criticize the system and. I think its very diplomatic this becomes an issue. Criticize your own religion religion i think thats me. I look critically at the new religion which not everybody likes. There are these eternal people of yesteryear everywhere my motto is the criticism at home there are a patriarchal cultures in our culture of origin too that cannot be denied. Your Gross Margins you are now a member of the Christian Democratic Party and you run for election and. Political scientist now want to go into politics. And. My father. Always said i would either become a journalist or a politician but what he meant was that i had to campaign for the whole. Stock market it was in my genes to stick up for. My own family gaining freedom for my sisters and me. As women are not part of the plan also quite honestly. This struggle within the family gave me so much strain that i want to use it for others. And ill do it for the christian democrats who i believe best represent my. Thought i wasnt happy since hes been a social democrat for over thirty five years. But he has to live with that. Theres a debate about restricting the numbers of refugees in your party. As a german with kurdish origin as regards how many immigrants do you think germany can cope with. Per quarter if i can get the list i dont know if thats the right question i keep wondering though. I dont think that we can fix numbers in my conversations and lectures i keep hearing people say we want to know whos coming we want to know if they want to integrate into society and we want to have a say in this we dont want others to decide for rights we want to be integrated in the debate if. You want i can see a vision and maybe there are the real humans but it needs to be formulated and communicated we have to talk to people solar plexus and then from politics is not only about facts but also about how to get through to people. We always conclude our interview with three in complete sentences that we ask you to finish regarding immigration and what i expect from politicians is. Really listen. And clarity. Religion and humanism. Religious freedom means that its where everybody can expect people who want to live in germany to. Follow the basic law even if they dont respect it i have to get other words i know theres not using technology. This week. 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