Transcripts For DW Interview - Michael Bohmeyer - Does Money

DW Interview - Michael Bohmeyer - Does Money Make You Lazy January 14, 2018

Think people lead better lives when they are peers that arent good for them just to meet their needs and i think people can handle freedom very well. Thats why we give them this freedom so they can have the things they need to live. So for example all the research on universal basic income shows that people become more productive because they no longer have to fear for their daily bread in this manner. Your fighting for universal basic income or u. P. I. You first tested it on yourself because you were able to finance it how did that work. Thinking that the congress. Eleven years ago i started an Internet Firm which i met four years ago im still a partial owner but i dont work there anymore i get shares of the earnings of around a thousand euro a month without having to do anything for it but how did not having to work for it affect you. I have less money than before but the money was unconditional it didnt hinge on performance after a while it led to a deeper you know. I adopted a healthier lifestyle improved my relationship with my child and other people and now my head is full of new ideas my cup. Of mentions in the bible a program i work suddenly not having to work is a strange feeling isnt it. Absolute dont let it wasnt bearable i had never experienced that i never had a gap in my resume i had always been very active and suddenly there was nothing at all and honestly i really struggled at first i struggled. Once the benefit of not having to work anymore. The fact. That you can work. Hands verma you be a proponent always says we need basic income to be able to work because we all need money to live and personally with my basic income i discovered such profound in a peace that i could ask myself what do i really want what am i good at how do i want to use my time. I had never asked myself that before i had only thought to where money these questions are so hard they second guess Everything Else is freedom if you can endure it its liberating because you then really can find Something Better if a string of relativism many would answer easy for him to say hes got his business to pay for him which you wanted more you thought everyone should get that feeling and founded this startup. Or how you had to find investors willing to pay for other peoples basic income. I think the first comment this idea got was when hell freezes over so. That i still did not freeze over i hadnt expected people to provide basic income to others unconditionally but they did i collected small donations on mine and after three weeks i already had Twelve Thousand euro with that i could pay one person a thousand euro a month for a year and now were up to one hundred thirty people with its basic income and each month it goes on. Throughout the donors and what are they expect from the comments i can tell they come from all walks of life and spare a euro because its the right thing to do to mention it and i was employed to do this but there are also many wealthy people and u. B. I. Opponents who say i dont think it will work these five year olds should profit. From. Fun and exciting and on the other side you have the lucky winners who you recently invited to. Exchange their experiences and what happened once they no longer had to work for this money if. It is good. The first question is would they still work if you b. I meant they didnt have to or one hundred thirty people only four quit the rest changed their jobs or. They werent lazing around all say they sleep better less interest even if some work and. Not having to means they can better appreciate what they do it because its their choice. I can say no to anything but saying yes feels much better. And some people became self employed because they felt older families came together many. Many became socially active and two who had chronic illnesses but didnt have any new belts because that deep existential fear was gone. By the extent that. You say most cant work right this also goes to the fact that they know the money will stop coming after what i hear and its not enough to take a huge strides. So this is doesnt apply to large communities or societies even to mine. And i dont think so i dont want to convince anybody. I just want to get the evidence if this could be a future model what were doing isnt strictly scientific its only for a year its not universal and its just an additional income not necessarily basic and doesnt include taxes but it still gives us a strong impression just how much peoples emotions are steered by politics we often consider people as machines and if on social programs the Justice League people will be happier and have more children but thats not how it works u. B. I. Changes the persons side. And so instead of controlling it trust them and says heres what you need you know best what to do with it weve experienced very different people quickly adapting to this freedom and feeling so empowered howard. And will that change things if people receive something without having to work for it work itself be devalued. Thats Cloud Business no i dont think so. If people are no longer forced to do unpleasant work that work would increase in value. No longer be able to say well you screw up floors you know you have no other choice so youre not worth much with a basic income you might do that working out because society would reward it more wed be forced to rethink work which is urgently needed. To bring in order and. Youve said that applying that to society as a whole is difficult youre testing the idea but you do favor a general universal basic income whats your response to people who say why should i pay taxes for someone else to laze about. That thats the main criticism or fear of many people veil have to work while others went off in the thirtys and thats an expression of the mistrust that our society fosters and encourages we have internalized the idea of competition and that there are always winners and losers when you ask people if they continue to work with a basic income more than ninety percent saying yes of course but when you ask the same people would everyone else continue to work only sixty percent say that those numbers dont add up my experiment also aims to encourage trust we can trust each other more than we think maybe were not quite ready for you so lets give it a test get out of it. Then. If every german received this Monthly Payment that would add up to nine hundred ninety two billion euro a year thats three times the National Budget how could we afford that. You know so well youve just described it its not affordable in our experiment we give people an extra thousand euros a month. Thats not a true affordable universal basic income a true u. B. I. Isnt a top up its a baseline it redefines the first thousand euro you get every month everyone would get money whether theyre rich or poor but their regular income everything on top of that would be taxed at the wealthy would pay more taxes than they receive in basic income youll be eyes or redistribution of wealth or both the model various as a society we urgently need some form of redistribution of wealth if everyone received the basic income that would open up new ways of figuring that out with you and youre underestimating human selfishness. May be but the idea that were all ruled by selfishness is very strongly embedded in our society because it justifies our capitalist narrative. What were seeing now what we see happening to the environment is calling that into question maybe i am underestimate to human selfishness but we have to find new rationales new narratives to live by many say digitalisation and globalization will cost so many jobs that well have to rethink things could be part of that. As a. Cynical point of view id say its going to be a huge challenge bigger than were able to deal with i dont think we need to fear digitalisation but i do think were underestimating that its not just about robots its about algorithms and Neural Networks which are patterned on the human brain that we might be able to digitalize human cognitive skills and that could eliminate just about every job except maybe yours. But. So one will we do with all those people. Many people are already taking a second or third of job mentions many are temp jobs or in secure jobs Mental Health is suffering and burnout is on the rise. Thats only going to get worse so how will we cope with cutting down on the work would be great in principle but not if machines do work and work and we humans live in poverty it was a basic income is one way of dealing with that maybe theres more to life than tedious labor which a robot can do better than we can any help at all but i thought this is youre not the only person who believes that. Lets now ask you to complete three sentences. When it comes to the universal basic income test in the state of shows because i hope to see. You know in new insights. Thats why i find the fact that seventy seven percent of swiss voted against a universal basic income in a National Referendum is. Completely understandable it also took three tries for swiss women to get the vote good ideas take time. 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