The gamba is responsible for the highest number of people emigrate to capita than any other african nation and thats truly shocking if you consider the size of the population here but no a lot of young people are coming back in fact the International Organization for migration estimates that on a monthly basis over 100 retired means a stepping right back into this country question is is the country prepared to take care of them and who better to answer this question for me than troll gambians and well begin with mr demba here he is actually one of the people who left the country as an immigrant and he decided to take the back route known because it is that your regular way of going how was that journey for you was it worth it how long did it take just give you a little insight into what happened. The journey was so hard for me i took time from today at the synagogue tonight im going to feel compelled to maybe you know if they make a. They said if you dont pay money you really want to bring all 2 to the prison here in mali so many try to get that money released me having a lawsuit going back to you see to it difficult to punch through prospect base to. You know when you can that it would actually you money if you dont bring money do would be to you on the most frequent ok when they come are you one of the very few women actually because statistically women from the gambia dont migrate its men who make up 97 percent of those people who are leaving and im curious to know as a woman if that journey was more difficult for you and if the government has been there for you since he returned is was very difficult we me i dont talk see it and i used to a lot of money there could not need there after i get there kidney clearly i get kidney problems before i am poor mean i meet him there i think care of me because that then i was going there i become in. I got this thats was my sister wish and its very dangerous but they are very take care of me take me to the hospital little me back you understand so a lot of gratitude being expressed particularly to i. O. M. Which i find interesting what does somebody you are a social analyst do you think of the gambia its too heavily dependent on International Organizations to solve a local problem. Thats for sure because gambia does seem tough the capacity 200 this every right to depend on those International Organizations International Organizations i dont think theyre doing well i think as a lot of smoke screens and we do that here of course they go to she just dunking the National Youth council without them she would not speak here so these are some of the problems from the National Youth to the International Organization for migration the e. U. Projects all the. Success stories that become but on billboards in the country nothing is being done here this country is not ready its not able to 103 tonys on is better for the International Community to make sure that our young people im not seeing for have on look for long term. Pushing but mr somebody on here now talking about people who are forcibly treated back into their countries but these ones return voluntarily resign gambians where should they be taken where should they go where they should come here what im saying here is under you know whats happening in libya they came back from leave because according to. The International Report the European Union was collaborating with disobedience to talk to enslave all young people im sorry i cant allow you to say such things we dont back it i mean weve. Been telling you weve done not write down your facts. Theres no reason to raise. The International Report i can send you the link immediately after this of this stuff that is conflict ok so some very serious accusations being leveled not just against you but International Organizations that are just here for the power point presentations of the end of things here i hear effective as i. O. M. Or any u. N. Agency or any International Organization our role in any country is to support the government to address its concerns and a huge part of that is as rightly mentioned perhaps 2017 there was a limited capacity on behalf of the government to manage this issue but i think at the same time its a bit unfair to see any intern. National organization will sold the entire problem on its own expertise is in a. V. R. Which assisted voluntary return and reintegration so many of these individuals. Were in a situation in libya they just could not stay in its inhumane and we believe the you mean assistance to provide to assist them in returning home and when theyre home we can provide them reintegration in the form of skills training in the form of setting up a micro business but at the same time we understand i cannot support returning for ever and i think we all need to Work Together with many different organizations to address this issue one of them being of course the National Youth council the i. O. M. As his has rightly said is not here for the long haul what are your plans for people like and oh i mean you know 2030 years from now and for the thousands of others who still havent reached the shores of the gambia i think. Supporting but its an International Going to. Us but did. He have to compliment the government to force this course. And sort of government takes the lead in the process not allowing. Us to continue to you all parts of this government who are representative of government and youre speaking as though its a foreign entity what are you doing what have you done. Is the government sort of as an arm of government or the minister what we do is basically advice from government in terms of what are the new. Sponsibility is provided for them ok i dont know what has been provided he said no one has been provided is coming from i am in terms of providing them support what we want is to see examples of. Coming from government to say this is what government is doing and not just continuing to say this is what i am have been and what im going to do is. Coming from so. The this question is to ensure that we work with government and we can bring our example to see Government Hospital by that i mean on dollars or 10000000. 00 and this is about investing in terms of supporting young people really want to continue courting to say i am a supporter or to say i believe in the possible but we want to be able to say as a government this is what we have gone and we have led the process of supporting our young people and not continuing to lie ok going to support the right let me come back to will suffice here because you know were hearing from the n. Y. C. That they have plans because of things that might happen in the future but you know already doing something about it do you think your government has let you down. Provided it is not definitely reaching the most. People whove benefited like me. Can you can you tell me tell me how you benefited through n. Y. C. Weve secured some you know for members to weve got. Which is. Not. To start something but at least weve got something from them but does not enough does not work you have think enough of almost everything most of the tony can see. Not receiving to support which is really needed we are also doing our best. To make sure that you put more and minds of the attorneys and makes. At least something to hold on to ok well what i want to come back to you because you are very passionate about the issue of deportation is it immoral for western governments to return or repack cheri young gun bans back to this Economic Situation yeah i think its immoral of several levels i told you about the role of these very start governments that destroyed our society our culture on everything through cold colonialism. Thats one part the 2nd part is the western government is very aware of the gumby particularly unique situation we came away from what theyre called 22 years of brutal dictatorship country almost went into flames in december 26th in the collaboration of the International Community we were able to. Now the situation of this migration i dont even call it illegal its just migration its been there for years im not seeing this young people should not return im not seeing that at all across i know the situation in europe i know ultimately did have to come what im saying this whole rush to bring them back off of this problem started to be i think thats morally wrong because you know our situation there know we had a Coalition Government but the Coalition Government right now has been torn apart they are trying to get to each other. To deal with the situation in december we dont know whats going to. Be a peaceful we hoping for a peaceful resolution of this potential in the International Communication community. Why do they want to push these young people to come here be some people have traveled theyve gone through different some of the boot our circumstances theyve gone to some of these people have been exposed to drugs some of them have been exposed to arms so forcefully pushing these young people right now its like. Striking and much on the. Dry fully with petrol ok i want to. You share the same opinion do you think its unfair to expect. Any other european nation. To hold on to your citizens until youre ready i think. On interest we have our own interest and the whole issue has been politicized to some extent securitized by politicians both in europe and also you know. I dont think the gumby is ready to receive all these in germany or in. The media because already we have distrust in. We have demographic. Playing against the country we have like you mention over 40 percent unemployment level lot of young people who are in our streets doing nothing i think what we have failed to do is we have known the problem. Is so big why we always focus on the economic aspects of it that are Socio Cultural aspects to this problem how do you solve these problems how do we bring all these boys about without creating a cataclysmic situation in our country ok so weve been talking about deportation but i think its important to recognize that there are those people who come back to terry and i just want to find out from you what percentage of returning from europe and what percentage are from africa so basically since 2017 i am has assisted in the return of over 4200 returnees an overwhelming majority of them are from africa the voluntary returnees from europe dont even amount to 100. 00 out of. An overwhelming majority of them are from libya 3000 of those are also 3000 of the returnees since 27000 are coming from libya but right now were seeing a trend of lesser needs from libya but more from the share actually so it really is along that route in africa that were seeing most individuals opting to return home ok so coming back to you moment because if most of them have not even reached the shores of the euro and they want to come back and youre saying were not ready as a country what do they do for those in the situation is very dire i think why so solution is to bring them back but still like weve all agreed here the. Most unique situation right now cant handle this none of the statements here convinced me that he is ready for these doctors he said its not only are the economy. Coming back to families. Coming a lot to get disability. These countries now coming to economics which is really fundamentally important its about the social stigma that would have to deal with families. If youre coming back we dont have a proper. Institution 100 people who have mental issues we know of an issue of under 20. 1 of the institutions of the people with mental problems. So this issue is so complex im not seeing this in media for some time or saying there should be a should not come back but the International Community International Organizations like i. O. M. Should go beyond the billboards on the very flashy short videos the throw out in social media and come down to the level of the people and tell people ok so speaking of social issues i want to come back to them because you actually told me that you lost both your parents during your time in libya and you ended up breaking your foot in fact you were telling me that it was hurting now when you came back did you have a support system where your friends good to you or did they treat you differently no i dont have the support of anybody so my only brought up my brother was supporting me i went to some police just to get them to tell me to support to support me but still no no but i dont have support yeah ok i want to talk to me here for a 2nd because you you were recounting something horrific that you were not only kidnapped but you had kidney failure so you come back to the country did you get psychological help did you get financial help. I dont have any i have without. I mean i have one have to without my pharmacy is not an iou cancer but they are doing a lot for me because my doctor in gambia wants them in me or treatment its going to be here it cannot be here i have to go to dhaka then i got to go to that that are also there me. I have to do various is that they can help me but its not that its not too it man but what is it 3 men is didnt blame him for show how to call it master your times when they dont have that money to help me and far too here is your friend far too i also understand that you took that trip all the way did you make it to libya. Also one is for libya. What have you received any support for get even the government from your family and from your friends did they welcome you back or did they start treating you differently you know i i thank god for my funny and my friends who was the time i came back here the idea leave people wholl give me support to survive by this time he was the ideal one who helped me to give new someone new to barflies something for myself so im thank god for that ok i want to come with a for money our journalist here what is the attitude for the young people of ghana never left the country who then see people like me and more stuff being i would even call it showered you know because it might look that way from the outside what is the attitude of those who never left. They usually see people who are torn feel you know some of the huge for one reason is. It uncross us usually kind of what ive heard we know to us suspect people because of how the money put themselves on social media is one of the key influencers when it comes to base it on migration for example if you go to social media today you find so many so many think because by gunmen my counsel even in italy or in germany. Those in my we should respond that we force them to go. After or the 2nd last because understand the force and that is illegal or if it were my grandson is the last choice waving a huge concert out in the middle of the gun media place on the pull of what she. Had been negative for so many years so defend hopeless so you are spending that amount of money on being in league on the mentor told. The kid not been. Given the end of the day you are returned back to the country your people are muslims and i seem to also feel. Let me come back to you because it sounds like the more we dig into this issue the more complex it appears to be so what needs to happen to resolve it if every step towards resolution compounds into another one i think what we should admit is that we feel young people we are feeling our young people and we are continuing to feel our young people and thats not the kind of news i want to be putting out there because we dont have it i mean how can you leave such international project. Which would be responsibility of the state. Sort of sponsibility use our citizens what plans have been good for the future what are we doing not in fact of what to ensure that in 2020203020 extension 35 wellness attending here. When this is happening now its because we have failed to be a country for these people that is why they want to leave anybody who decides to die in the ocean. Thats a problem you know. Political Economic System as a problem in our country how can we ensure that the young ones dont follow the same path. What its from you know what is the solution for what can we do to ensure that we have more young people to stay where i think leaving must be a reason why do i question is what im interested in why young people wanting to leave 0. 5 percent of every year want to leave that they migrate away for that is the question and we feel that generation will continue to feel over generations for me in as much as we have to put some systems in place to receive them to make sure we integrate it back into society but we should also ensure that we come up with policies to ensure that we rectified these whole mess because its a mess nobody wants your citizens to be dying in this in libya. We have about 16000. Gumbi of young people in germany what are we going to do with those people were going to bring them back like that its not even its going to be logistic out of my most of them bring those 16000 but its a problem ok before we get to n. Y. C. Just on the call on the topic of reintegration as a solution to deter irregular migrants how does that work how does one become reintegrated back into their own country we have a team of reintegration assistance who is able to counsel these recur nice and gauge what their interests are what their skills are and the retailer reintegration package toward what we think would work for a return need now i think the one thing we can do more on. And you know as an International Organization were always ready to admit where we can improve a lot of this reintegration happens on an individual basis so there are questions of sustainability especially when it comes to how communities are being supported so one thing we want to do with i. O. M. Is to shift reintegration to be Community Based what that means to develop projects for attorneys that involve the entire community to be able to ensure that other individuals who have not yet migrated irregularly can benefit as well from these projects. Judge of the i. O. M. Has a game plan for the future whats your. I think follows the discourse one is from the start a lot of this young ones that are leaving the schooling dont have a skill when they get. Going to come the medical doctor in germany or in europe wouldnt be brought back home. But one second because we must not conflate issues were talking about irregular migrants then there must be hundreds of thousands of gambians living all across the world who are there regularly and i mean to the point for me good point of departure. For. The quality of education we are providing for young people beat in the game to be outside the gambia able to be meaningfully employed if you look at the government is the primary employer and then you can do the right you have government as a primary employer has going to be a lot of unemployment so removed as a government that would want provide the environment for the private sector to thrive. Or to grew business. Provided implement that they need ok. Im sorry i really have to jump in here because youre sitting on the National Youth council surely there must be an agenda 420202030 things that are already in place you mean to tell me these are all discussions happening in the. I said i should have mentioned the governments agenda in the n. D. P. Is to ensure that guys i had a month of unemployment so the government in the uk in diverted some dumb ones did use this to a minimum well im just going to 5 percent that has been able to provide the needed employment for the uncle how to be inserted environment is definitely conducive said that as a business i would deprive an employment has been able is employment is created for this young people in the long run into something that were just the above who once did we have continued to be high dependency they would suddenly leave this country and continue to look at let me ask you know im im not a gambian but im not convinced i want to ask the people standing at the back there are you convinced of the government is working to ensure that not only are gun violence returned but also the ones who are here we may come close up is. Basically. Not for coast if i said we be fighting to the government here because these government as we speak is a Transitional Government and as a Transitional Government its to look more into instances one reforms a mess than so in addition to that also seems to 27000 up to date how many grants have we received on loans in this country its far more than 20 times the whole population because if you talk about 1800000 youre talking about 11000000 euros youre talking about 20000000 euros support from the world bank youre talking about or that you support so basically when i reporting. Thats one thing and another thing how can we create jobs for bills who are in new country and those who are coming to join us so basically we need to. Look from different perspective those who travel how many people in the country who are unemployed so if we are saying these people have to come back and create jobs for them then we need to redouble our efforts and we should not deport and. Early on dont know if games is really that cease and you know. If you put it into good use we can create more jobs says the coming of these gulf men how many new companies have received all institutions that employ more than 1000 gum yes we have not seen any so basically we need to walk more all right i like that we need to work more what works in your opinion what keeps people in their homes well i think 1st of all and i think as all they are they all rightly mention people need to have a reason to stay here and we can raise awareness and share information about the dangers of the back way but if people dont have a reason or any alternative to stay in the country then our efforts will be for nothing so i think to be fair to many actors in the gambia there are a lot of for example funded in initiatives like the Youth Empowerment project projects implemented by g. I. Said the Belgian Development cooperation all working toward Skills Development and Youth Empowerment so i think its really building that the root cause this and i dont want to speak on behalf of these organizations not thats not a mandate but i think we all need to Work Together with these organizations because thats whats going to create an environment which gives our youth a reason to stay in the country ok and very quickly dr i want to finish with you what do you think the gambia needs looking forward so that were not discussing the same thing 2 years from now we need to have an open mind all these young people have skills and put in so we must develop otherwise we would do the same thing the government cannot employ everybody but everybody is a businessman some people are going in sports in swimming in basketball in painting we need to explore and see how we can help dont be to develop the potential so they can live in dignity if were going to live in the you know in countries will go and look for dignity in some other place and that is what i thinking about very well and thats what were going to conclude this conversation is definitely very complex and multi med at the beginning we asked the question what does it take to get people to stop migrating into regular so was resoundingly give them something to stay for thank you. 40. 8. 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