Still want them to keep giving birth. Africas population is growing fast predictions say that by the a 2100 bill before point 5000000000 africans thats about a 3rd of the entire global population so we here in congo the most populous state in the most populous country in africa to find out how exactly that future will look for africa and id like to begin by asking my panelists a general question do you think that the population growth in africa will be a blessing if you believe so please raise your hand interesting do you think its going to be a species raise your hand. Oh wow so it looks like were really split 5050 lets see if its the same answer at the end of this debate is my ear i want to begin with you because you work for the Population Reference Bureau here should we trust these numbers are they accurate and where do they even come from for me the numbers are accurate because when you look at the investment the agencies like unicef are put into into research and i think you have no other reason than to accept this. Is that you sticks. By. Is something i have thought about but you dont trust your local government or you even your National Government figures i dont think because youre only going to play this number when its going to be an. Interest you know so the numbers might not be extremely precise but we know that africans are going to increase and i want to come to sign up because youre an advocate for children and adolescents and specifically against Child Marriage and i want to find out from you why do you think africans are increasing in population where the rest of the world the trend seems like theyre decreasing because theyre not. Increasing they by d. And were not doing anything about it in. The increase. Of brains. Age and. These. Kids. And let me come to you because youre working for an organization that actually deals with young boys who have been sort of abandoned or left by the wayside to what extent is overpopulation already affecting the state of congo yeah i think so many positive and also very many negative ways you know just like the working on which is the education. Ive been you just explain to all of us who might not understand what is an out of marjories someone who travels from one point to another in starts focus on the education that is what is so over time due to so many factors overall population inclusive you know this system has been abandoned by the government and the numbers are too high the children are too much so the infrastructure stretched and the moslems that is there to toss can no longer cutoff you know the basic needs of them hence the turn into child street bagus yeah thats a very good description thank you for that assume mr director general were hearing that resource is a stretched thin are you feeling it when you are governing are you feeling that you dont have enough money to get to the last person enough schools enough hospitals indeed it is very true that facilities stretched at the moment we have 3000000 children in public primary schools this is. The number we have. And schools as well as schools too which means a little forms needed to my needs the education of these children and the government at the moment theres no top of these funds so if the government doesnt have money to take care of the people that it has right now how is nigeria going to take care of itself in the future zeinab i want to come back to you because i really want to get to the heart of this why then are we not we having 5. 7 children thats the average age of number of births paul woman in nigeria compared to one point something in europe why are we still having so many children if its not working if we cant afford it because we lack i think access to probably plenty and i think you are a productive right and we are growing to leave without any need like like i said in the post list and also to. Really just one question i pose that is a pity in that also because of the way they do do do you see step of my age and the prime least this time of the not so all these contribute to debt you will find out that some even have to have the access because of the. Inclination that dad touched still holds on to dads so what does islam see about this islamic the number of people given area is thompson to do is the resources exist in their. Area being one of the 4 for this nation in africa has abundant resources that can for everton but we have been serious problem based management this is why things are going that we are seeing it. As far as religion is concerned you can have many children so long as you can take care of them all what are you trying to say in islam. That is the court has the will of the teton number of children that 1 may get because he his actions his books and what type you is welcome. To collate it then you cannot have a mistake in what. This is why eve you have to know much of the number of children if there is Good Governance there would be no problem let me come back to the director general and media at the Governors Office we are hearing that you are actually the reason why overpopulation could be a problem its not the number of people thats a problem its the fact that you are mismanaging the resources that are being a nigerian as a country. In terms of quality population data if you do a top quality pollution due to there is noone we you can plan for the people you misgovernance. Please rule in the type of population we have in the quality of population we have what do you mean the quality of population. Of quality population an educated. Population that can initiate ideas for the good of the general society let me come to me because you have an initiative that sort of empowering young people with regard to this do we have the quality of people that the director general is talking about what i think we dont have quality people we dont have the quality we have everything absolutely poor people are too much of making noise or making the actions we produce the number of children. Because desist them does not provide that level environment if you come to Northern Nigeria you have over 1000 women dying just because. You dont have access to facilities that Family Planning is one of the key thing that we must remember to conceive. Family planning is providing a woman to have the opportunity to space pregnancy from one delivery to another one so that she can be strong. But the major problem is that the government who is supposed to be actually due to investment in research and then to Civil Society organizations who is supposed to come together to be complementing the government effort the onus will be. On the government as it was so i took another chance to look hard disk issue its not about the Government Community people to parents have to role if you dont see every individual have a role to play in the community to make this change if we dont see that we continue having between disown them part of this country developing on the northern part of politicians spent the more time frightened of the detriment of the future of young people and the ok so youve given me quite a number of points but i want to go to the in my media key because youve mentioned Family Planning and this sounds like its in contradiction to what your teachings are saying so weighs the balance between religion culture and really just being rational family for lenin islam is allowed when there are problems but it is not allowed when it is intentionally mad to check the will the the idea of let me how 2 people or 3 people relate how other people are doing in their culture is prohibited so youre not agreeing with this yes i am against what the human is saying about the religion is saying you cant get as much as children there you want their religion says you can get children but you cant you cant get shouldnt you cant get out for so i am against that whats the saying there you can have a lot of children yes i know muslims in the islamic it says we should have children but we can have that shouldnt we cant take care of them is again was a point of correction the what i said is almost contrary to what she said because i believe in islam islam does not allow you to marry more than what you can afford. You either. If you cannot even if you cannot marry one you are instructed to. But the issue of her being law like they are seeing they are trained to impose it will able to produce because a rule is so general. So this is what i want people to do this is why the law is having problem in house of assembly as National Assembly is because you come up with a law partly religiously accepted practically religiously and not accepted so this is where people are allowed to come that will be in line with their religion even the issue of but surely should the law be secular it should be bias i mean unbiased so that it can be followed by people of war all walks of life we in can know we have the right to operate our according to the dictates of our culture and that cannot be in line with those who are not like this so this is way house of assembly is it going if you have us laws that has some contrasts in it cannot pass so what then happens if we continue to have all the number of children that we can and as we are hearing the resources are still not going to be available what next then the next is said Good Governance that is through Good Governance that we will report in now for resources to education if we put enough resources to education that will give sound education to people and will sound education we will be able to develop other sectors of life all right i just want to read a quote from mohammed so no see the 2nd who you all know here the enemy of can know and he was recently at the Un General Assembly and at a site event he said and i quote the resources have shrunk and the population has increased youre not going to stop that by having government spend money youve got to address cultural attitudes what age to girls marry how many children do girls have how many wives do men have. So hearing this from the emmy and hearing what youre telling me it sounds like youre speaking from 2 different pages exactly you know one thing going if you will be allowed was one child if they mismanagement of resources you will end of info but unemployment and hungry so whatever the case may be eve the little resources we have is mismanaged so no matter the number of children ok so youre not agreeing with this ismael you see let me give us a very very disturbing statistic and can we have over 10000000 people live in kind of state and out of that again 1000000 people in kind of state almost 3000000 children out of school and out of that 3000000 lets give this one aside and talk about the number of unemployed we have over 3000000 unemployed youth in congo but go out and look at the number of marxists we have around and look at the number of just you have what we have almost 374 choices and kind of state we have almost 4 154000 bucks in chemistry would be 50 functioning industries the center of Commerce Center of commerce we have 30000000 out of School Children kind of state but we have a government that run too far we china to collect a lot of 2000000000 not to Beauty School for these children but to be used as a life really and you see in the end you know you have you have control of that in judea almost all 50000000 girls. Im headed out before it is a 15 and 15000000 goes in a means the next im going to put it out in a 15000000 children what is the government doing for these kids it is known by everybody here that our government or the government of congress did recently declared free and compulsory education for every child from pretty basic to basic to Senior Secondary School there is a special focus on girls it is meant to give some amount of cash to parents of girls on condition that these girls will attend school continuously ok allow me to talk to because i know you talked about quality people who go through quality education and i heard it said that in some classrooms up to 400 pupils in one class so it can be Free Education but is it quality education we came to government about 4 years ago and met this situation and road we decided to devote a substantial amount of our budget to constructing additional classrooms in primary secondary and even intensity is true since this is an issue you will address graduate is there something that you can just say ok i was today let me call struck 2 classes for all the children and let me ask you for them because were hearing the governor say the government is trying give us time maybe by the year 2030 it will be a ratio of one to 10 students in the classroom but by that time most children of being born one of the immediate risks yeah the media interest of us that is why we have. You know a chunk of number of or young people abusing drugs that is why we have so many unemployed youth and some of the things i feel the government needs do is 1st of all start to coopt corruption because i dont agree that we dont have enough resources in that you know in kind of its just not the way it was their resources are poured down you know along the line every every Office Something would be caught out so you see by the time it comes down to implementation you will not see any impact. By the government to stop thinking out of the box there are so many opportunities that we work in. A scene you know advising the government to latch on to this you know in terms of funding in terms of Technical Support but lets go because were looking at now and the future where then should we had let me speak to him 1st so i think. It depends on do with. Government is. The government agreement with. Him for example in china most population. And the most important part of. The most important. Mystic market investment in. The issue is just. Unfair what. Id like to come to you because were talking about having children and i want to understand to what degree do women have the agency not necessary for Family Planning but even to space their children how much of a say do women have in this country actually i do think they have a lot of say because i just had a baby 5 months ago so i took awfully immunization and there were like 200 women in the queue so i was like my husband and i decided to space you know to lets go and check out the child spacing unit honestly. 5 to 6 women and out of that 5 to 6 women i think 3 of them came on their own but the hospital said they have to bring the husbands. From you signed that he has agreed you know for them to do to spacing. I dont you know maybe its. When you talk about these issues. Because of the. Big. The society im not in disagreement what the government. Spokesperson just said like when they are talking about education because it goes i indicated all these issues will go down so they are not have actually because when they step reeducation this is something that we have been yearning since when we. Realized even if this it is realized would make is not even sustainable because like the lady said to go see young guys will be getting married at a video and its like 1415. 00 even if they had going to see it when caught up and they would get mad even if you said there are a number of people to this but its a lot of young girls going to see what they did dont get the opportunity to complete its ok and does cause all these problems and they are not even making any effort to have a bill to sign a bill. That it will address at least less this. Education ok let me come to the director general because you spoke directly to him that the idea of Free Education is really incompatible with whats happening right now because youre not even addressing things like Child Marriage indeed things like child murders a short while ago i mentioned that we have this arrangement we have by we are supported by the d. F. Id of the condition of the grand scheme where we give monies purchase of goes to allow them to continue their education or to secondary school level that we find out what is that what will a consequence is if a parent is found to have given their child out for marriage when theyre too young you refused to take your child to education. Process would be. About legal process. Im not a lawyer. And you know if i thought it would be like a well known low but ok i want to come back to i should because i oh yes so my my worry here is this set of women. Like i met a woman at the child spacing unit she said shes 31 years old she came with without her husband and she was like my husband write the letter and signed so i should just give it to them i was like i like whats happening. And she she had she had complications and shes just tired she has 8 children so she doesnt want to you know do it anymore but the husband is insistent that she has to do it again and his salary is just 15000. 00 naira a month so. Its not even realistic so my worry is what is going to happen to this set of women because a lot of them are out there. Sick but the husbands which are not even able to take care of them still want them to keep giving birth. To let me just quickly. We dont have because by definition concept overpopulation is when. A country or. So if you look at for example. A lot of opportunities and then. By the way you have been. Which is actually right is not against that what some of the money. If it is for the improvement of the house. Because by the time when is pregnant and then she gets 3 months 4 months she could become pregnant. And this is where we have many months. So i think its now time for us to start. But implementing the people that we elected were presenting was presented from history to decide. He would and im looking forward to see that we are calling them back to say distance what we want guys if not next number is not going to be taken you know we are going to impeach you and dump you imprison so why havent you done that already because nigeria has been independent for many years because the way it would to to do it would succeeded in dividing the whole population of the young people people to do this Political Group and then you see the other one when by themselves calling themselves the includes themselves many many dead to descend girlfriends sort of descent ok ok one second file if i want to come to you because i read something you said that the mindset of north of nigeria is about 200 or 3 years olds it needs it needs to be updated ok what can we do then to change this mi