A government like that still does the support of the west. Welcome to call it so i know right last april donald trump showered complements on your main rival in libya only for half that which clearly shocked you and yet you claim to come back with a message that the us was still behind you whats the evidence for that will be we believe that weve been a us ally for quite a long time we were fighting side by side to fight and isis and libya times change the kurds thought that as well well im a changed because we cannot apply what happened in syria and libya and im talking about how alliances coming. Was. Trump said that he appreciated mr have to a significant role in fighting terrorism have a shared vision for libyas transition to a stable democracy high praise from the leader of the western world for your main enemy isnt that standing by you its a pretty lukewarm were standing by and. We say those things about you know we still believe that. The administration of united state that mr ation of the white house believed that some wrong mistakes so long messages have been around about have tour and hes fighting terrorism and i think the force in the u. S. Is badly informed yes i think the britain and by inform and i believe that the message passed yesterday from the foreign minister of would Libyan Foreign ministers and the libyan internal ministers that they want to see libyan stable and the problem in libya settled through a political process yeah but they dont necessarily want you to win any more do they. The issue is not winning a war we are fighting for what you want to talk to have to really be ruled out talking to no its not the relations between the genie government and have to order a government of national yes then after our government we believe that the libyan people should went for bringing libya to stability to have a democratic countries to have a country which rules by law and not getting back to a military rule and for the good you say this is so in june that just as life editor you flatly rejected the idea of talking to have to have stuck cant be trusted you said talking with after is out of the question we need a bar as what you said when you go to Peace Process you need a partners and it was after he wants you to talk so youre not on the same page there well why should want you to talk no washington said that washington story wasnt a did not say that we want to they want us to talk with after wasnt on sale. That the political process should be peacefully not through a military. You know attacking tripoli is not the solution they did say the state Department Official said in april the u. S. Is consulting with a broad range of libyan leaders as well as our International Partners to print press for stabilization and bring Prime Minister else iraq and general have to back to the negotiating table so they want you to talk this you think they stem the simple solution after 88 months of fighting around tripoli after all the attack on hospitals and schools after its all their lives there we lost from both sides on that i think the u. S. Message is completely different today i think they want to look at who are causing this war or libya and whos. Because in this brooksley world you hope its different but you have no evidence that its different in june we had the acting u. S. Defense secretary Patrick Shanahan also saying what weve said before what i do support is fieldmarshal have to support in terms of his role in counterterrorism but where we need to support is in building democratic stability in the region so there talking still talking about multi players talking to each other yes but at the same issue have to send a clear message to everybody that he dont want to democracy in libya he want to rule libyans for quite sometimes until he see that libya stable to go for them and proceed i think this is a conflict with in what you project to say from the foreign minister or the defense minister youve been pushing the message for a long time the d. N. A. Has been pushing the message for a long time that you can win and that you will finally beat him back outside of tripoli and he knows the game is over it doesnt seem to know that the game is over why have you misled people like this will you think we mislead people i believe after 8 months he did not succeed to get into tripoli after 8 months of fighting with all the support that have to be getting from outside libya he didnt win that he didnt get a libya in tripoli he said that i would be in 3 probably in 2 days and he said that repeatedly the g. And a is above the past now we since the 4th of april was almost for 8 months he did not succeed and as look at the way around this matter whats driving this conflict isnt just the failure to hold talk its the fact that the war economy developed over many years has made libyas militia groups absurdly rich and they refused to give this up that and that includes militias that are allied to your government as well when we had a clear program. To clean up tripoli and to clear up libya from militia and our program stop you havent got very far will we start in the february with our turnaround ministers but unfortunately have to attack and the 4th of april and make all disputed graham just stand and stop so its clear that he want to cause he want to use any excuse to attack to anybody theres not a problem for militia not a problem for economics windage in a government came to power the production of oil was just 120 better the day to day we are talking about 1001000000 200000 barrels a day when we came to bowen in libya they libyan kunitz you had a lot of problems lets talk about lets talk about these militia groups because in october the world bank said there was now an open war in your country for power and wealth capture and report after report has suggested that only the militia groups hold sway in your country that the Prime Minister has little if any real power over the whole country or indeed the forces which are a stand simply under his control power rests mostly in the hands of the militia cartel this is the view of the small arms. Well a 1000001 side and one side the whole ward stand by the cheney politically in public announcement but under the table many of these countries are supporting this militia and thats why we have the problems we want to clearance from the rest of the world and the country who are helping us in 2011 that there really stand by the governor asked and i work this peeling need to cut your links with these corrupt militia groups who you continue to ally with yeah but still why dont she im somebody in this country is they make the will of the militia strongest and this is exactly what were looking for that in better lean process theyd stop helping different than the government of libya whos helping whos up. In these many countries which European Countries our neighbor countries and some arab countries so so youre blaming it on the on the europeans that you have close ties with murdering militia groups who extort who fire off their weapons against civilian areas its all europes fault is it and that they are deeply involved in the corruption of your administration well they dont trust the government they believe that some of the militia are stronger than the government and they made good will they improve havent they well they dont prove it when they have to attack tripoli everybody was aligned with the government to different the capital from the military rulers who want to rule the country take the back are a battle and it was ordered by the g. N. A. T. Disband after its leader repeatedly involved in fighting tripoli he took no notice the special Deterrence Force this is a group that detained 2 journalists for questioning and arrested others without warrant one of its commander said we cant act as if the government were in a position to give us orders in other words they take no notice of you so thats how thats how much influence you have on these militias we need time to bring our military together we need time to make our security better you shouldnt have got into bed with these deeply corrupt violent also is a big issue being bad and with this militia disposition was existing before the genie government even exist we came in power would with more than 30 or 35. 00 militia in tripoli now we have only a few more less than 3 or 4 in tripoli and now under your government a cartel of 4 major militia groups have gradually divided up the capital between themselves and they now hold you and the government of National Accord ransom to their changing demands and the endless feuds and corruption well i think you have some good information but some of your information is quite old since that attack after tripoli everybody is united and. The number left to jenny we dont have militias who. As both as your reporter explained your own interior minister bashar. He blurted it out during an interview in january he said his interior Ministry Budget force under the control of militia groups by force thats what he set the ministries expenses have reached 300000000 dinars and widespread corruption was found so he said his Ministry Budget belongs to one when mr bush of our our ministers say that the holy war should say that he started his program to clean up his ministers from this corrupt militia training and youre government is rotten to the core with these people involved in your budgets taking over your budgets by force its rotten to the core is no thats why we have a new ministers thats why he started his program the last mars so Everybody Knows that you cannot clean up from 30 militia in one day you wake up and you have all things done you need times and the process and the extortioners going on and youve let it happen and they have over the years the last 2 years they have extorted in attempted to extort huge sums of money from the government you have to look at the whole story the government of genie came to power in 2016 was outside to tripoli came to tripoli clean up to tripoli from a lot of militia started this war against dice in a nice is inserted after all after he says he is after beating your pointing out that i asked not having to have to have to say that he clean a bungalow in burma but never mention that the insert he done the job weve done the job after only 4 months of arriving in tripoli at the same time as your militia groups are extorting from you you know that exactly when the country is invited you have to work 1st and you have to have priorities which. Hour by hour to cleaning up the country from isis or fighting the militia mr matic if you dont stand for law and order and an end to corruption you dont stand for anything at all no we really dont we do but we get to our country and our country had a long war with isis for more than a year and a half once we done with isis we started up to rebuild our Financial Institutions and when we get to our Financial Institution we find a problem with asia and we have problems with our Oil Production at the same time we find have to attacking oil field and we dont want to go in conflict with him because we have our internal problem with the mission so we have a biologys as i explained to you we have a priority isis issues arising the protection of oil making the life libyans better and of course we have to clean up our country from the dishes and the controlling of our many of those are usually wrong way round because these militia groups have carried out extrajudicial executions they have attacked civilians and civilian properties and abducted tortured and disappeared people maybe you should have started with them our we have the law and the hold and the hold they have on your government is we have a problem is with our borders we have a broad rooms with refugees we have a problems of Illegal Immigrants we have a problem is to make our libyan currency for the 6 millions for libyans their life betters to improve their economies we have to find a way to have you know step one at the time we cannot do it all at the same time how can you claim them to be any kind of legitimate authority when your own affiliates murder and steal their way around your country with absolute impunity none of these militia groups have been brought to account theres no intention to bring them to account is that of course you could have taken some of the leaders you could have put them on trial if you were really serious about doing something yeah and you bet your capital your own capital at the risk at the same time there isnt a terrorist attacking other city in libya. So there but there are people going to ask at the end of the day are you worth saving as a government are you really worth it of course were worth it to make the life to have been better we saved a life people and sort when if we make the life of the libyans and study of having what 1. 00 for 40. 00 today is for dinners for one day you know what when will you live better than a 3rd of your people want to leave the country was a lot of them want to leave your country well because the people who are out of the country who are helping the other side attacking the capitals and making the life of libyan war and causing a proxy war in libya and what about cleaning up the appalling treatment of many thousands of migrants in your country in june the u. N. High commissioner for human rights urged you to launch an immediate investigation into the disappearance of more than 150 migrants from the Detention Center under the oversight of your department for combat in illegal migration fact is that 203 people were delivered the may the 23rd by june the 7th the facility reported that only 30 were left what happened to these people when we have a lot of immigrants from libya who was not staying there and did that enter since particularly disturbing that was the light of the fact that immigrant migrants are being sold into forced labor to smugglers who promise the transit you have not been sold from the other farms and that libya alone cannot deal with him a concession of us this is you cant deal with slow this is no no you cant do is low this is a reward had done we have no proof of it ok and we work closely with our you know ministers you have never told you know this is going on youve known for the last 2 years it was good no this is not right this is not of this is false information we have no slavery in libya we have no what saw call a slavery issue in libya we have to work with the International Community what is their interest to complete what is it you and your your own as. Your i was not what all the reports have been saying that opal are being sold to people trafficker traffickers and women are being sold for Sexual Exploitation you denial that you we have no information as a government otherwise we do our job how come they have much more information than you they are better informed than you were as they are when the government is working closely with the International Community to save the lives in the middle of the mediterranean seas where does this reports when our coast guard would just very few visitors that we have we saved 1000 the fly every morning and every day where to disagree ports when we try to help this immigrants and the middle of Sahara Desert bring their life to more stable and leave libya we have more than 800000 women into libya live closed with libyans with all of the support weve been do you know a lot we been working a lot to save the life of immigrants we believe that we should have better reports and bitter understanding of the problems if the International Community is committed and willing to work with the libyans not sending messages about steven in libya we have been promises a lot on the lot from europeans but nothing been done many of the since 2 so your denying responsibility for this is im not denying responsibility if something happened and we are responsible for it as a government of libya we will do our best and we are committed to work with the International Community the american to life of the immigrants is better but what they will be and what the International Community done or this why they are accusing the libyans this is the way why they did not do what they have to do with the libyans when we as it is of we ask for help to do are. They have theyve been giving you plenty of training in no has been given nothing of training and you and you and your cause they are yours the european and European Committee many times a Commuter Community many times that there are promises its very. Very very very low then what they already promised us if you were doing so much yourself why do you continue to employ people in your coast guard whove been sanctioned by the un im thinking of one of your coast guard officials. Millard according to the sanctions listing from june last year he heads the regional unit of the coast guard in zawiya that is consistently linked with violence against migrant another human smugglers why do you still employ these people i think there is a report coming from our minister of interior saying clearly that he is not an employee foreign minister and turned the u. N. Panel of experts claims that he and other coast guard members directly involved in the sinking of migrant boats using firearms the u. N. Says this coast guard is consistently linked and you say you know nothing about it no i said our minister from terminal they have a clear statement that this man is not an employee by the minister of internal so who is employed by the coast guard can well he has the coast guard calling according to the sanctions listing says that he collaborates with other migrants mugler such as mohammed catch laugh who sources suggest is providing protection to him to carry out illicit operations related to the trafficking and smuggling of migrants several people in criminal investigations have stated they were picked up at sea by armed men on the coast guard ship called tele ill used by millet and taken to the Detention Center where they are reportedly held in brutal conditions and subjected beatings he of course denies any wrongdoing. Of course if Something Like this happen we as a gove