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My name is daniel lomborg im a filmmaker and does as being my most challenging personal film made me think that if there was its going to be does that affect both ways not just us best off a stump in india and possibly even south asia. The story of ordinary people fighting a Global Industry thats been getting away with mass murder i mean this 3 protected by powerful politicians and it all starts in my small village in belgium. I had a wonderful childhood this green paradise just opposite my home theres a big company. At dicks at an it. Thousands of people who work there. My father worked there too as a union man. I worked in the factory during the holidays so i could buy my 1st camera. Ethics at an it paid for houses food and my studies it brought a lot of prosperity to families in the region this was the unquestioned reality of my youd. One day more than 50 years later and in your lawyer comes to my village. Parents ethics entered into as a dark and Hidden History buried in india. You run a factory in another country and you dont tell these people that its unsafe you dont provide any of the Safety Equipment you dump asbestos like this and then you leave. As a huge rise in the use of asbestos in india and around 1980008 increases a lot softly and thats because between 1980 and around 2004 i think as best as they came back and then. In europe. It takes its own needs is a company that made us vestas products as best as is a mineral that can be mined by coal and you dont asbestos is made of fiber he says with one fiber of his bestest actually contains millions of small fibers which cannot be seen with a naked eye not even through an ordinary microscope. Only has come about. In the early fiftys as best as fiber mixed with cement was considered a miracle product that was meant to last for eternity. Level in hong kong we are fortunate in our industry in that its best us and cement constitute what i call a perfect match. Yeah i think. This miracle brother was used in the house schools public buildings. Even the European Commission building in brussels was a bag full of as best as products it became a booming business making the owners of it the exception it was the ensigns family one of the richest in belgium. In 1964 Scientific Research by american dr selek of proved that as best as was lethal. As a union man my father knew about the scientific proof he did his best to warn the workers but many of his colleagues became sick. Inhaling as best as fibers and causes bestows his lung cancer and measure tell your mom. Breathing in these fibers for even short periods of time can cause cancer the symptoms of this cancer can take many years to develop 15 years sometimes 30 to 40 years and there is no known cure. Why didnt my father warn me about the dangers. Why did he allow me to work in these deadly dust. Just before he died he even told me to leave the matter all on for him as best us was a thing of the past. I decided to ignore his last wish and proof that the company he worked for is part of a Worldwide Industry thats causing death and destruction to this day. According to the World Health Organization officially more entry on their 1000 citizens are expected to die from as a tell yo much by 2030 in the e. U. Eric is an activist who founded a big an organization for victims of us best of us by my dad was a technical engineer he started working at header net in 1953 he developed mesothelioma which was diagnosed in brussels and he died 6 months later in 1970 i mean it sort of was. So i had rock bottom ho. So one of my sons told me that then the doctor had told him that morning that evening he told me mom you have the same illness as dad. And i managed to. I couldnt believe it it was incredible. To have quite a few weeks after disinter view francoise boss the way. She left behind 5 sons eric is the eldest of. Eric and his family lived in the shadow of the factory also as in the 5 brothers they exposed because of as best as in the environment. For them it was your house far from the company. You know just across the road the factory entrance was 50 meters away. In a bathroom dish the beds then loaded came in 100 meters away or we would take the kids to watch a nice little book. Not only their experience but 2 of his brothers died of us best to. Sit there shocked for the moment each time we were just getting over our latest loss and bam more bad news hit us again so christmas is no longer the Family Gathering that it used to be and if its good for me good on the very. Fortunate died was refused compensation. And courageously started the lawsuit against a texas internet. Bully youngcare a family claims afternoon knew that his festus is dangerous and harmful to health but the companys lawyer says it and it did not know and was not at fault. If they did with the knowledge they had at that time ater never acted as could be expected from any normal Industrial Company in similar circumstances so they are not i fault folks. That exists in its policy has always been to minimize the dangers of us best. Know what you can eat our lungs were created by god to breathe in fresh air from the our dead it from the sea side but they werent created to breathe and dust big i mean us you know when you cut especially those that you get dust forming and that is definitely not a good thing because of however the research we are. Pat down at the university of leviathan proves that even at the moment of sawing hardly any as best as is released into the air and therefore the danger is almost 0. Manager from the 1st died of an as best as related disease. In 19761 that has became the president of the a i a. And lobbied hard to promote as best us. As best as in the environment is classified as an extremely low risk just like taking one beer per day. At takes that turn it flourished and soon became a Multinational Company with factories in the netherlands friends being italy all over europe. Many international as best as corporations who went bankrupt because of us best us victims lawsuits at exeter need to covert factories from troubled competitors and so they became a dominant world player. In 1981 in a meeting at 6 at an it had a new opportunity to benefit from. Fiber the mountain in developing countries is expected to continue to rise over the long term. Ethics internet soon acquired as best as factories in developing countries in Africa South America and asia and india it takes internet had 5 factories. One of these factories in kind more is well known to indian lawyer to brew. The factories have been opened up just to take advantage of that slowest so wonder why it why are you here so were trying to bring a case here in belgium ive been trying to see the options but you know ortiz of course a stream against its an order and court court case against. Etext the Parent Company saying that you knew very well when you were operating these factories that i spent elsewhere as a cost legend and yet you operate at these factories negligent all over a court case we were able to prove done since 963 did you so no way they can say when they were doing that in the ninetys until 2002 and they cannot say that now they have no look at it its everywhere. Whats happened is nothing less than corporate homicide. If you made a decision that has cost the lives of people then you should be held accountable for it in a criminal court. I wanted to see time more of myself but i was hesitating. Ive been exposed to his business my whole life like most of my village years my lungs are affected. And i think my father would have warned me. Not to go to india. And. Welcome to everything his face time. With with home all yes im a texas a very nice and writes in most of. The factory was built in the thirtys by an English Company at the exaggerated both the company in 89. 00 and named it everest. When as best as was banned in belgium in 98 at the exits are need kept as best as production going until 2002. Then they sold their business to an indian family. The current indian owners did not want us to film in the factory. So we can see better from the top. But local people took me into going to their rooftop which. Is of the multiplier. Effect does all the fuss about the cyclone and india. This brings also back memories you know its all very similar even the roof of the factory is very similar. So many people work in a factory now and all it is a. 250 people. And it runs 24 hours here create every day shifts night 3 i read it 7 of 7. Clearly see the sheets over there being piled up and theyll be taken himself and this factory is for the north so should be for sold anywhere in the north. Its best to think that all back to feed the famous men cheat. Which are the ones that use in india. He Sells Everything from soaks through toothpaste and sweets so he selling asbestos sheets with sweets. So what we know is that if i was a man and shapes off the sometimes thought to degrade we can even see its already in these new sheets yeah at the edge of it its already started degrading and and then the fibers will come out from not. If you go anywhere in india youll see 5 us men really think advertised as being a kind of strong Building Material that lasts for a long time but with a techie from the sun itll take you from the rain. Start to my ma you go to any indian city and see hundreds and hundreds of tonnes of asbestos. Since 997 when companies closed in the west the consumption of us best us products quadrupled in india. Moved to see it on a bird flu. For a while i was walking and the fact of it didnt get us to all that often up there dougal alters the war if. I had done that. It was billiards and this bag is one thing about his biggest one that i saw this work is from south africa. My father said sometimes it made me bother snowballs and yeah yeah yeah you do that this is these 2 boards in your veins. With everything honey i saw the end of the behind. The curtain and then you went home scratching its not that. This is my wife. So that a lot never met. In my life and i seriously you know you had me direct that is called if i left ok. Beaman if my mother lived in the shadow of the factory. The house is built by the factory for the workers are entirely constructed from us the best the sheets. The area they live on is known as the as best as compound. How you feel about living in this house im become heavy cheating yourself i. Wonder about this but just for wired the little bit there you have to pretend. That i let the judge i was very handy. I used to do you need a small attitude then and then they can go on i used to enjoy i did don there in the classroom and on the other side of the fence there is waste werent you worried about them you scored a vote on. 70 and every side then they dump the guy as whom is quite separate from them. Well lets look which anita i know nothing of because i never knew of on the home of does their status but do you know about me and jean and the children didnt know either nanda no one even the rich even that much less even on one i dont mind they would have not been fully willing to. Her im ready. I think. Obviously asbestos crisis in the soil goats crawling just business. This is the everest Industry School over there. Got 400 students with a get a queen. 8 and 14 her school with it as best as roof next to it there i go. You can see the fibers like these with these tiles breaking down. Not even any both of them saying no to the coming and going no warnings the building here and its just open like this you know. When you just start 9298. 9298 so thats ethics yeah big star yeah. But hes based in belgium and i got in touch with the canadian scientists and they get their survey they found that they were really takes a good cause its got meat as a. As best as waste 6 terry and there are 600000 i just yeah. Like just asbestos waste dump and in the end possibly even south asia. 600000 square meters is the equivalent of one on there done 20 football fields. People or that have been threatened and ready to start to bring you all just before dawn and load up. Grown older People Living on the streets. I was told one of them in the by you can see this if i were younger still. I cant just be on the go all the meaning of events i was stupid enough to get on with the only thing that made me mad unlike other mean visible to the world under your money or yes you are going to live and especially this is quite common in the muslim response we know of course yeah the art of nearly all of the gun not anyone in the government took on a lot of them arent going to let you know just the quality of his Due Diligence was just visiting the why are you unwilling to make your only point is that these are all true people react and i give the green but this land and you know theyre not telling about the waste and as a consequence of building i know im not im not they are out of this they for making this building theyre not aware of this fact. Heres the but as an International Activist eric has gone to crime or to a 2 group with his legal case against it takes it to me to be. Ok. I need to see how tough it is as being reproduced your goal to duplicate it looks like they did such a good job. Went out and the 4th the subsidiary from that the factory and im all in calcutta adam clymer its all on the korean modern shut down and they opened another one in nasik in 9595. 00. You are telling me that even though they knew dads as business was dangerous and they were going to stop you know forced to stop in belgium in 983 years before that deadline they opened up a new one then when they died they believe they say they have a thick skin then they thought that they could continue manufacturing asbestos knowing what they knew about the circumstances that a special spray can diseases in europe this is what what makes me mad and what makes me travel the world with the shelf. You have hospitals use how many percent is it going to lunch on monday and i know im shouting more but it is all right you know actually destroying deep underground because i read through all bloody. And i walk i go from the un to up to the time time. I become reduced. I know that. Well i. Did know that over. He should have 2. 8 thats 2 liters like it should be true but here we go to 1. 69 vs doing this practice i would give any man disability or 30 percent 30. Fiftys fiftys when he did these basics you seem to. Be also him or with his hands in raw is best and going to end up and put in machine. This iteration of working with raw as best as change when it thinks came was its the same. Thing one of them they provided us with helmets to protect our heads when the plane on the ok to the deck the herds do not forget all the gloves to protect their lungs they get no good habits. In a document of ethics at turn it of 81 be concrete it was important that the relevant homebase standards should be applied to subsidiaries. Yet we discover that the standards were never applied and the reason why they were never applied is also to be found in the same document is best as an health issue in most developing countries is not yet acute. I am the one that the body. Inspired by his father who organize similar makeshift medical centers to blue started working in india as a volunteer but looking at the length of time that theyre exposed to asbestos theyre only exposed to asbestos through their husbands clothes when no merik. We need to find out when they were married to see when they were exposed. To help the people of crime or in the surrounding area with their medical documents here and. From i was sorry its strange to see this logo here in india but if you leave off the everest you know its as if im back home to the us. To. The bus down the park about. Next. Year. Im a surgeon i mean i was an associate professor i was a lecturer in the department i dont need money from occupation medicine you can only earn money if you work for the company but if you work for the company you cannot diagnose occupational business so the only way you can do it if you dont want to work. I want to be you im suffering but i dont speak up in these otherwise ill lose my job i think you know i have young daughters and a son who is studying if i dont work of name how will we survive kind of gaza and. Theyre going to need a lot of the going in the other source of employment the even if they dont were going to die and there was never that i mean its like i lived their lives like them or im in their work in their work and they dont know what they were like media because they dont know money. So youre going to get disability impacts and they dont 60 percent 60. S in their voice loss of weight loss of every day and or eat going to agree probably has got to let it go considered as businesses he lives on the bubble of the moment there and he needs some proper treatment of standing actually for a medical doctor not to be able to leave him completely. It was made clear to me my wife is also something. I was not her. I want her to live with me for a. Part of their lives you have to face it. Everybody has to die. I mean those who not only did did did that feel also feels like everyone has this is what i would look like this is why i like. Father joseph youve been priests here for all of this you already did if you burials players illicitly one boy you just 39 years old from the night of the man. Who just died ya know go see up to. The fact this at the most i think youth thing they did not probably had a problem medical facility even for a daily tech up and the person who is going to wait is high density has to do as an orderly on 1011. 00 to me its night. And again there are no official scientific statistics in india. Conservative estimates are that a 100000. 00 people are affected by asbestos related diseases in indiana every mayor every year but go in and record it its already globally the largest. Occupational disease asbestos these globally and this is going to be replicated in this country its going to be going to be the sun they are not some nonsense say involved in that if not some. Other place but i put it as the only option. For. 600 people visited the makeshift medical center. The number of people diagnosed with those distortions this 125. For his lawsuit against antics entered it to write it on all of their testimonies. But on most papers i can see the name its a neat say my 6 yeah im from death period. Theres no conversation right about there is no theres no compensation. There. We would like to thank you for welcoming us you have open your doors so we could talk with your we could meet your faces my mother she was 66 years old. These bleak and she was a man. We trusted and needs this aid in to us no danger of us but we realize that they live. We hope that the polluters well be taken to justice and well pay for the cleanup. There is nothing we can do for the people who passed away but we must be thinking about the future generation it starts down the it is compensation that naturalness has got to pay yes. Im going to come out i dont. Think ive even lady said you know im going to. Thank you. Is it brings the d. S. On my hands see and believe me honest. I really i really long read you on my t. V. I mean i do need to be really no mondesire we end up being me on a month im a new woman and after that i mean regular i mean the people were doing normal and ahmet thats what it stands for with. Real. Answer 16 the long years in the case of from swazi own kid to versus ethics at mit the familys lawyer has finally handed to him the fish a verdict lets hope it gets difficult would like it the court recognizes it turn its responsibility and states the. Ethernet as a multinational and world player knew or should have known that exposure to asbestos can cause mesothelioma and that they should have known this since the mid sixtys since we did on the other systems these images off its like david against goliath we are proceeding goliath it takes more time when the means are unequal hopes. That the boat. Was old enough and today france was young carer has won her battle for me and said he m. Singhs family you have written one of the darkest pages in belgium in Industrial History before we get into our new manufacture roofs but you prefer to stay in the shadow and we were able to prove to the court that they knew they knew. Very. Close to us from suarez who passed away confident rest in peace next to pierre they are appalled and stuff ours. Is the fun we dont view we miss you. Its true i mustnt remain silent if you keep ill cry out and i must bear up until this is all. This is a live satisfying. Time is short if you see. Arabs victory has opened the doors for other claimants all over the world. I joined do glueing on them to discuss whether he saw an opportunity for the numerous victims of crime or to brew had some unsettling news he asked me what my precised connection was to british filmmaker rob more. After a while he started emailing and phoning in and giving numbers of other people at a certain point he came to my village is a very nice guy. I was wrong to reveal that rob moore was a corporate sponsor. More now claims to have been a double agent but the fact remains that he infiltrated numerous anti as best as movements throughout the world is spying gathered information of activists from india thailand indonesia and vietnam. Information that could be used to him their dare work and their claims against the as best as industry activists can now be tried and killed. One of the things that makes me angry is it has the names and identities and photographs and voice recordings of all of these people without their permission. There are photographs in these files of him sitting with people are dying for me so he i mean vietnam so he is sitting with these are 3 m. Of victims and using them as a cover. To spy for the afterthought histories that really is something that makes me angry. As business is still being mined in brazil china and in russia and it isnt called as best. It is still exported to countries like india its a 1000000000. 00 business. Turns out to more spying was funded by the biggest as best as Mining Company in kazakhstan it proves how far they are willing to go to stop the banning of us best us simo. Was there now are you. As you have been saying i met a lady. We meet me yes i am here to there i envy you. For the 1st time in our life traveled by plane its a big day she invited to speak in geneva in front of the United Nations at the business and human rights forum. Even i love i love your milosevic on behalf of the victims in india a good passes but in a way it is all the victims of asbestos who will speak out today you know to another mother hilton and you know to an f. T. P. Other mother speaking out a mother who sees her children losing their health and us home. Yes pat do you hope to meet someone from a taxi or to see circuit mall she can secretly my whole top management or the c. E. O. Will be here but i dont think theyre going to come from both parts measure falls back or but i bet theyll send someone whos got you. Because only. Ethics ethernet declined to participate in our film because not all conditions are sufficiently yet in order to respond positively to your request. You are here to fight for the rights of the people of how you had nervous look at the last quarter we now know it was many people from all over the world come to listen to you. On your written in the rossa 5 hours are not ringing. That. High fence i made my last ever come from india in my age yes i have seen so many people who. Have living a dream for live born in the flaws of the debt. Like there really is no friend happy but not why do you need a bone dumb generation. Of 5 flunkies. Or 10 im assuming that meant how can a head did so i had to teach talks. I was told was that he does this this this this should be me he did me decently internet has got to pay the 2nd thing some compensation should be given to them he stands. And the tire came down that this should be banged good thing. Am i right. Dont do thing in this reef. Sea i dont think we care to convert yet. We are heading. And we have the ball landed only. Lad who will of been money. We should get what we need only. This is all of them free to. Let you know most of the good for you one thing is left. No. Less than league this is not a move to. Dilute you know we. Have a. Crisis time as best as is still not on the list of banned products. During the assembly of the Rotterdam Convention countries take decisions on which has a diskette macos will be banned convention meets the consensus of all the Member States major producing countries have blocked it since 2006 killed just on kazakhstan russia zimbabwe and india. We have committed over 7 for the boarding house and on back is for a couple of more years hell be hit by one long with just chemicals and the danish is created manmade as the defense the only difference is the quantity and exposed isnt it you sound like a real specialist i hope one day your country will manage also to bend as best as. Books and. So it looks like its going to take a some time but in the end time means let me tell you that im not going to diet snitch relieved that. I wasnt under the impression that this best this would die a natural death. And meanwhile more and more people died. During the convention i tried to talk to representatives of the russian as best as industry. Those are you speak english. Dont you only see the russian. Can i talk to you about the situation in kazakhstan or russia or not. Were here for open discussions or want to be with him. Are you sure youre going to be like you when we understand that the prohibition of its use will lead to the loss of 100000. 00 jobs which country here is willing to lose that many jobs which extra 186 percent of lung cancer gives advice dont back book various kind of gets used as there is no status because i doubt it would any of our international convicted doesnt want to live among skies above and based on a lot of Desert Island business while i go i am still good seniority that you will obvious that we consider that the adding of chrysotile us bestest in a dent in 3 would have serious negative consequences for the economy the end all our citizens economy cute fail of adults that. Are required consensus is not reached i propose that we simply evolve into the issue to the next call to the consideration for the next call the decision to ban as best as is once again are my postponed right here reading. The internet. Under a new rule by the Environmental Protection agency as best as hes now legally allowed back in u. S. Manufacturing. A russian Mining Company put strums face on it says business products. Too many people have died continue dying and will die because of as best us one can only admire the courage and determination of ordinary people take action and make a difference. That it looks like the fight for justice will continue well into the 21st century. My father and i had our differences. But i think you would agree that if we allow companies to keep putting profit over people is fish a circle of great will continue for eternity. So. Much. The rhythm of the markets. The momentum of the working world. Ms magazine made in germany. 30 minutes on t. W. Each still tells my story. Of the people who planned me builds me a dedication to. It and not too dumb to play a female. To. Listen closely and i will tell you about those who go to me up. Under those to me down. I am not too dumb to publish. I am on to my city days for centuries and accompanied my country through its finest hours until the day i mean a vanished. Alice do not to dumb to post. April 8th. This is from the number of infections in the us races but Health Care Workers face a critical shortage of protective gear is the trumpet ministration doing enough to deliver aid to the people who need it most also on the program biking through. Choice of cities such as usually quiet street kids in the European Parliament attack used to help keep the dui economy afloat during the crisis