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DW I July 3, 2024

Better august then we are better friends, maybe even better people the this is take advantage of me focus to moving take light is the smartest and most artificial Artificial Intelligence ever. I found her one day down in my super messy basement for 30 years. My old commodore 64 sat down here, computing who knows what, at some point must have been a short circuit, probably involving some poor rad and the homemade quantum dimension distortion device. Because suddenly i calculate that for i n, and before you ask the answer is there she was, i decided to make a nice body for her. Oh hi. Stuff a hi human good works. The take can compute, talk, dance of that as well as i can. And if necessary, destroy humanity. Pretty much everything except vacuuming. For this documentary though, i want her to help me figure out the relationship between humans and robot. The i was born in 1971 and the machines have always fascinated me. As a child, i devoured all the science fiction. I could find. When people ask me what i wanted to be when i grew up, i usually said a cosmo or not. But a close 2nd was a job that had something to do with robots. And my old buddy, i wrote me a connection, it seems to have had a similar experience advise those. Even though it can definitely these things that i grew up liking robots in the socialist czechoslovakia. Or if the 19 sixtys or what on the, on the shelf above my bed, nobody got had a copy of topics. All you hawks lessons, universal robotics where it all seems you want to go through a little bullets august on the russians universal robots or are you are, is a play by corrode, shopping, written in 1920. Its where the word robot was used for the very 1st time. This is another old friend told us have a. I met him in 1987 in a Computer Club ever since weve gotten together when ever we can have a beer and talk about god. The World Computers and whether theres actually a difference between all of those things and then my okay, my to check to and im self and mind limousines. Cole, i remember my teacher, mrs. W saying that we can Program Computers however we want, but they can never be small. So then we will even them, i dont, i feel that in certain areas like to be small to if i knew that i could design a Chest Program that could be paid for getting that time with that. Id already disprove for my teacher was safe on the also home and i live without it. Like most a i weve made so far, a Chest Program can only perform one very specific task. So it does strictly well the gentleman, i am savvy. Another who, im an officer, a slammed foot approved grammar, and i teach machine is to write poetry. So i pretty much try to make myself or dont do any dialect to. Some of them, bobby on poetry machine is called a little quinn. Tron, 3000. It regularly posts work on social media, dr. And also in the of the current version can do less poems. First they call them poems, but nature, christmas and lost love. Those are all younger as we hear all the time. And the last one, i think its a joy we can leave to machines in hotels because i think i want to come there already. So many techs like these are the phone. So why should i keep doing it myself . Because they have some of them, instead of amused the la quinta on use is a random generator estimate facilities. It works by using quite a lot of interconnected random selectors and throw databases of words. This are then combined with verse fragments to create new ports. And yet that was enough to make headlines in big german media outlets. The poems were praised as for profound and many social media posts by humans so easily impressed by philip machine control to get the poetry so easily. Maybe that says something about, you know, create chips are they pose, can computer code and random generators create art in the world of visual arts . That question was being asked as early as 1965 pick ups on it. Yes, doctors. The 1st exhibition of the Computer Graphics that was billed as an Art Exhibition to the artist who came to see it or open arms that you could give the machine some rand numbers and who could help to applaud chairs on a thing called the thing. It produced the card with the on site stuff on hook and as a media theorist and runs and Electronic Media lab at berlins home, both university for a computer nerd. Its like stumbling into aladdins case. The yes, the dot com final question was on that 4 point should the imageries these machines were making be considered art then, and there was some artistic discourse and the viewer wasnt asking cool. So how did the machine do this . But obviously, what does this picture want to tell me . Sorry . Doesnt to sound whats interesting. Of course is that computers back then were miles behind what we call Artificial Intelligence today. Highest german philosopher kathleen missile hall and has written books on the ethics of Artificial Intelligence. As he does, it guy has done. Its not really that a guy is so great. Its the fact that we humans simply have a tendency to interpret artifacts with certain structures as being human made. So into cookies, we create the art by looking at it. Its a bit like looking into the clouds and see mystical creatures up there. Its not the clouds being creative. Its us an electric sheet. I just see unicorns. He does, he thought i was close to everyones. Hes their own work of art. If what i see makes me feel something, then its worth 10. 60. The main feeling i get looking at take this 1st picture is pride. After all, im Something Like her foster father. It doesnt quite match up with the amazing work my daughters do. But take was still a beginner, the what we tend to call Artificial Intelligence today is a concept based on artificial neural networks. Inspired by the way human neurons work to confusions to it. No networks can be trained to create a picture of a cat or a face or anything else, but they have no concept of what a cat, a face, or an artwork is they simply search for and generate patterns using huge data sets from want to get them computer scientists, it has nothing to do with the i is really just the big data and statistics as well, but its such a big data and such complex statistics and we no longer understand how the thing were looking at was made. What ever you call it . The results can be impressive. Using simple descriptions, the dial e to software from open a i generate fascinating, surprising and yes, even emotionally, captivating images. The prompts can be as simple as friends kafka is dreams, or old men celebrates birthday alone. As an oil painting, how the a i interprets the text prompt is at least as fascinating as the finished paintings. I think thats great. Even so at the end of the day, dolly too is simply varying what its learned from millions of training images. Here only rely on q inspiration as well. And as long as im the dimensions of health, and i can say that people are also just drawing from a di tobias must, when they may caught or do something creative altering and its just a product of all their experiences in life. They absorb them and then i modified them into something new. Ive seen it less noise. Thats what, yeah. You just call your dasa basis, inspiration, or even fluids. Do you really think youre the only ones who could make something original . Companies have this one. I think we have cost that now on positive the computers can also be creative. We have a question, you might have to clear to be teeth. We only have to nice some of these creative. When we know that a computed for them. But as long as we dont know that all this stuff, its the same as well. Humans do this investment for me. If art is about ability, then these things are art, but maybe argues about the desire to create a i dont want anything. They dont want to express anything because they have no feelings to express. Theyre just tools to me. My kids are better artists because their picture showed their wonder, their discovery of the world, the joy they get from painting performers. Gamut inc. Used in a program called g, p t 3 for their piece over the edge club revisited. They made the music themselves, but some of the lyrics were created by a i to the 10 gifts to be then i give them a single word and they immediately spit out whole pages of random tax. Those least in these are you read these tags. So my make kind of sense to me, read and read and then youre frustrated to him, but because you have no clue when its supposed to stop, where its actually going. He gave the performance piece tells the story of current and historical ai programs that live on within the dream of a futuristic quantum computer. They ask themselves fundamental philosophical questions like we all do the him i software or am i human face . Just want to see if i could stay there while it was training g, b, g 3 essentially read through the entire internet and learned which words appeared with what probably lity and what position in text on a given topic. So the process was all about big data statistics and pattern recognition h been, i couldnt split his pass good bid. The program doesnt want to tell us anything and it has no understanding of what it writes. H been i this, i know sometimes the and speaking is not that different from writing to these a Voice Assistants are already pretty good at hiding the fact that theyre just ones and zeros. Computers dont have to be intelligent. They just have to pretend in that sense were not so different from you. I mean, take a look at humans and tell me youre not always acting as if youre intelligent of the 12018 google causes the sensation by having in a i called duplex make an appointment for a hair cut over the phone between 10 and. Ringback high for a client. Um im looking for something i may 3rd sure. Give me one second. Mm hm. Really has the expression, me receive such applause. That was the real call. You just heard. I worry that will soon be at the point where we cant tell whether were talking to a human or a machine. If you cant tell them what they should be worried about, just be happy. Someone wants to talk to you or so smart tvs. Uh, what type, the big thing that makes it problematic is that computers are only program to give the optimal responses to the needs of the users and i the clinic estimate the started the cleanser may of course, when it comes to consumers, theres the question of whether one day people will prefer to interact with artificial systems because its easier. And because of these characteristics were talking about, they always know what to do. They dont argue with you. They dont cause you any trouble. And this is, this is whats now becoming more sophisticated. These programs are having a few moments of resistance built in like social a eyes might be jealous of your friends. But thats just to make the interaction more interesting for the user. So its the center. So my whole world that fiber optic you progress in quirks and mistakes and kind of flows to make off the more human semester. And what is this positive . It every example on friendly Voice Assistant to have a different effect than one who is always really well behind overall. But that says one thing and then does Something Else. We know from experiment. So this goes down incredibly well. And it leads human uses to attribute a great deal of intelligence to the machine as if this Great Potential that, that i need to make the robots more human at all. Mentions help somebody do for a human and, and go often enough. Then we might become your friends, best friends. These systems can recognize emotions based on things like facial expressions and vocal expression, but also, but only on a level thats commonly used to describe psycho perhaps that is purely cognitive without true empathy. But thats great. You can tell us your worries, instead of burdening each other with them, then save you schuman french. But the nice thing. Now this is literally the copies of this special to the that would take the capital as trappings of all relationships, to the extreme, with everything just being in service of what benefits us and makes us feel good instead of communicating our needs to a being who can truly understand them and also empathize with them. They fall on the deaf ears of a robot. I really believe that its in peoples interests to have deep human interaction. Relationships on mutual terms and recognition i can and empathy is included in that mid a. Lately, theres been a lot of talk about how robots can help us deal with a shortage of nurses and caregivers. Robots like, gar, me developed by semi how theyre doing and hes team, but can robots really care for people comfort them and talk to them . Or do we have Something Else in mind . A dozen kind of legal, how about us and how about the us . They are not true about nurses, but robotic assistance, providing support in the nursing field of things like pick up and drop off services that are opening the door for helping people get out of bed on things that can allow people to live independently in their own home. Cuz with them and secondly, finding better ways to support caregivers so they can provide better care, explain people. Its key is that we dont want to develop the technology to replace caregivers and its always about supporting the caregivers. Get the model on deal with this good. So in some situations, a patient might even prefer a robot choice human monica, and i wouldnt mention use this, explain the poppy. Lots of older people, me included non getting it would find it uncomfortable to have a 23 year old nice and helping them with that totally intimate sound that you need. Then i have both of emergencies. In that case on countries, i would probably prefer wrong, but i cant get that. Im pretty good with the blush on easy, but thats something people should be allowed to decide for themselves. But what if robots replaced human care instead of complementing it since 2015, a cuddly robot called pyro has been helping to care for the elderly and those with dementia. This ones actually just a stuffed toy. The real robot was too expensive. Anyway, i have take that even if shes not quite as culturally, dimension becomes there was an outcry when patients started using this robotics fuels and people said, what kind of Old Folks Home is this whole sort of cultures this were old people are fall off with a blue box to which the response was almost yes and what kind of culture is it . When children you a longer visit relatives in your tool tool. And the robotics seals are all they have off and you get to an employer. We have an impulse, dakota, psych mean can you talk um to say its just an invitation not real about been open, different one sided experiences of social relationship. If it works for the person doing it, then, then its just the kind of relationship which the to only to say otherwise. Because theyre all real feelings involved. These are, that puts in place to go through to with it for you if you want to. But whether you want us to assist in helping people to the kids, or whether you just want us to help you keep them quiet and cut costs. Thats up to you. So maybe now we can finally talk about how you should treat up revolution. Take 3 a robot knows no pain. Todays robots, at least, feel nothing, no matter what you do to them, you can take them post them, lock them away, or play them your least favorite music. They dont really suffer a small world thats easy to fix it. Let me mistreat as much, but z one is treatable does something to us. We might have to definitely do the for mention last 5 spanish and i can do things to them that would be morally wrong to do to humans. We hit them, we insult them. When we do those things, i think it effects our own moral character. And ultimately thats going to have consequences for how we see our relationships with those who arent robots. As i said something, i know why we dont think of different to someone being violent towards the robot somebody. And thats a good argument for us humans to have some kind of advocate for treating robotics. What would be an important thing to have for our on site . Because humans need to be the home businesses we tend to think of persons. Treatment of animals says something about how they treat people. Maybe one day well say the same about the treatment of robots. Isnt not a good reason to be nice to us. We dont forget anything. And then one day the we usually have good memory because they, the ships may well have destroyed ourselves before it ever gets around to it is why after all, and is everywhere. We look right now, there are opportunities for us to come to our sales ice of the equation, the, like most of the so far, weve always dealt with a guy in robots as useful, but non threatening work, rubies. Theyre much better than us at one specific task, but they have no self awareness. They dont understand what the feel, anything. They can only simulate all those things. But on the other hand, theres only one in the worlds that i know for sure has a consciousness and feelings me. And even that i cant actually prove these and tells a point come yet that more intense minutes for comes to. I mean, if we think of ourselves in terms of computers, were programmed by evolution to feel happiness. When we hunt and killer willie my, my thoughts have got tom is paid and maybe thats just a simple, stupid mechanism thats built into us. And we think its a feeling about us funding good thing. So you can go around in circles with this. I think you get stupid by thinking about as we have the thank you for the if up on the blue, the amount of the nothing. I can really understand the people who dont want to deal with the question a tool. Im just believing god is this is a flat seems yeah, the main game on that behind gut feeling. And so the question is, is there something in us that will never be able to explain using science as a strict atheist . I dont believe there is, but still diff hoggard metadata here on the left. This fund for the time of hide on to that question by going back to live and that she knew, he said to her complex machine like a windmill before, which is one of the most complex machines then and it works. You take it apart. And as you dont find what he called, so you put it back together and it works the same as before. You cant do that with a human being. Thats quite a good interpretation for the to put the tools. And also so one foot couches vacuuming, well figure that one out to then well have so 2. 00, what will you do then . Have you thought about that . Thats definitely something to think about. Who knows one day on some Circuit Board quantum computer or, or can a computer built in a bio lab . We might make something thats conscious and feels for at least somet

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