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DW The July 3, 2024

The modem and everything was going well and s b a. Then the war began is sort of out. Everyone was forced out this is my father what . Whats his name . Thats more of what is the g. The invest . Quite his hands were tied. Yes. Who is that . My brother in law comes. I told bosh hands at the bush. For them quite as you know, his hands were also tied with plastic. See how that works. Can i encourage a couple, would you like to leave the upload a sent a way the women in his family and some relatives, he kind of uh, let me see that for you to necessarily city on september 23rd, 2019 at around 3 pm. Total 7 or a newborn or has entered the house. Let me just see. And this would be nice. What was, what was that they were probably russian, those are the my brother Mohammed Mohammed or the norm and its plastic film. Definitely. You know, if its not enough, so just like the others listen yes. One of them who were also tied up like that more but you cant get free so sort of any lame of what you need. But you know, let, how about i told him he should go fish and whom is that, why did he stay . What kind as if he was too proud to go. He told me he was ready to die in his house and with the in april 2019 libyan war. Lord general. Hi lisa has launched an assault on the you and recognize government and leave us capital tripoli. The it soon became clear that half those troops known as the Libyan National army, the l. N. A, were not acting alone. The, its gonna be the, the Intelligence Agency reported on it kind of cut them. Not that many of them. Youre an estimated 200 people, me to answer about them. But the fighting went on or the that number grew up of what the what are the from the start these forces made a difference on the battlefield. A clear difference was how the kennedy had they had weapons wed never seen before as to how they can, the most howitzers will see any precision guided ammunition can snipers and thousands of homeowners. You can also kind of as the they hit with aimed at those tenny results. They could take out a moving car, no time. Totally from ken. Hey, anyhow, for them. And they were highly trained militarily in the account of the deep asked me for, unlike goes to the media any, i mean on can we any jimmy . Honestly, they all were the same close helmets and body or the the canada. We found out who they were when they went to the front. Im and im in front of you. They were mainly russians and for from countries of the former soviet union savvy. 4 months reporters from the bbcs, arabic and Russian Service is carried of research into russian mercenaries in libya. The theyre known collectively as the wagner group, but who is dog now. And one was the group in libya and most importantly, who was pulling the strings, the been unlucky break. Okay, here we go. By them. How do you the doctor, we got this tablet. Government troops found a lot on sort of the about the call to hold them to the parking lot on why it belonged to one of the wagner men who were stationed in the islands. Our area was in the south of triple a kind of majority. Didnt seem on top of things are going to dallas, and i tried that and there are a lot of houses on the most important is offline maps. Many locations are marked on come up to the one on a and id them in, in monica, or the see, this is triple a. In the west of livia, all the names are and russian, many locations are marked in different colors out even in markham. Or next to the edwin sonic a like a minimum of probably below last most, most in read below and others are in blue. And theyve already been bothering me quite a few smaller places in black. We even see yellow here, and those are the that, as you see, all the points are near ions. Are of the south tripoli sorta, who are you, if youre going to look that up with the adamant again, i is the, were going to ions are the middle where this tablet was filed with the names that are kinda items are a head, a heavy russian presence according to the civilians and military personnel who were they asked the and the kind of want to come up to them and them as you can see in the areas now m terminate is or if there was a mass exodus for hines or at the time instead of things that its residents returned once the war in the they were way for more than a year and on the southern center, its better to want to find me high some why finally spend 9 weeks fighting. Wagner mercenaries, in ons are they were only 10 kilometers from tripling. And i do some of these on the enemy was over there by the tower and the mosque. They drove up and down in an Armored Vehicle with their wounded corners of house. Oh and you can must look at that. This is where the russians have their observation post where theyre snipers were stationed. Lets have a look at the, you know, where was the sniper . Exactly at the moment this was his domains of the packing them was infinite settlement. We were at the end of the street saying hesitant ah, okay. Not to tom hodges. He had a clear shock and several directions to everything in view. And they could have been out of there, i asked, what do you think about the russians who were here . The mercenaries. Anyhow, they only care about money. For a heavy you need to search. Um they kill somebody. Did you go from the commit crimes for money . Im coming in and let in and it is, its a criminal organization. One of them is it only really about about off has been researching the wagner group for the bbc for years pioneer. So these are, these are the locations that were saved by the bag and a soldier on a tablets as they were fighting. So they would have the tablets on them and all these locations were saved as landmarks. So do you have a significance to a soldier in regards to the fights and they were doing and names are so, and if i start from the top here, and this is the closest point to ship really. So this would be a nines are fine line. Im going to zoom in a bit more. It is is this could be a list of targets. For example, they write to thermal targets or nighttime arrival. Diesel reach beloved said it may be that meant a shell landed there at night. So i dont know who to do with this. So if you feed zoom in here earlier, is this mohammeds station. It probably means some kind of local commander was working with them, because lower down is the word study. So the kids so due to the arabic means friend so they can use of they called the troops, they cooperated with and syria substitute troops in d, c, d, w. Thats apparently what they call general half cars forces. And lydia was come up and she learned very simple. It actually was in so then good and so called sound like code names. They probably had a check point at the junction of each other as it comes to judging from the code names, the read positions are those of the mercenaries. So and if you think from the code names that we have for some of the soldiers, will we be able to identify them . Yes, of course. Hes cute. We have list says wagner personnel with names and code names. And they can use it as you send me just because theres no thats those. No, but we could use this map to start digging limits. And thats still the complex thing to do. The typical buttons that are, unless someone is at the wagner group, is one of the most secretive organizations in russia. I could send that because it doesnt even officially exist, but its important that you provide more than 5000 people are found to be part of this organization, named after the great german composer. When you get to compose you and i dont mean to bug that across the mercenaries, dont give interviews done. You that you do to former members agreed to talk to us if we kept their names and identities see criminal, but it was for the semester. Could i mean, mean not uniqueness, to explain the meaning of these are their exact words spoken by actors sort of what i need to get it running his cousin level as well. Some of us to let start with something simple as you can company. How would you explain who the wagner group is and what it does to someone whos never heard of any distort . Does that can use that. So if youre 2 models and you might, its not just a little, i still knew id probably start by telling them what i was told when i joined the show in a board, which i just thought i could do it. But it knows its an organization that supports rushing interest to yall and our countrys borders. So to get to that, but it does much not live upon union. So because of the church, you know, it takes on special tasks. That means military operation was east. So then what kinds of people joined and then what is led to me . There are 3 categories to you. All 3, could you go to it the little g. Firstly, men who cant imagine any other life for themselves at what the corn mercenaries. So that to that list job is the only way they want to live and earn a living. We see that that. Um so you raise nobody left shit. Sports is that about the in your junior book of what they prefer . You see that i get you go to italy, you get 3 categories, 2 people with a sense of hopelessness. Any more would make us more, lets see. Theyre still existing now. They cant see any other way to support themselves. I know exactly who did we come because there is no other option. Good. Yeah. I dont mind to keep and the 3rd category, romantic, feasible, a dream or is in search of an adrenalin hit. You know, also want to serve their country. Issue was, was list best literally did cheese of 500 units fund alongside pro russian separatists in Eastern Ukraine in 2014, in 2015. They showed up in syria and then the Central African republic ensued on and in 2018 libya. Over the side, we started getting reports of russians fighting for the so called wagner group on half to our side in the fall of 2019 half. The cannot see, how do you have seen with this of us, the media, its in front of us. I dont know exactly how many were in libya. Still peace, 500, but the 150. So if 1500, the numbers very not what they were there in 2019, thats a fact. We saw mercenaries come in on both sides of the conflict. You also had the number of the syrians, thousands of syrians who were brought in uh on the part of the on behalf of the gen a through through turkey. We were concerned about this, you know, insertion of mercenaries and weaponry that was perpetuating intensifying the conflict and leading 1st and foremost the misinformation of the living people. This need needed to stop because we knew there was not, there was going to be a military solution to this conflict of from, of as far as i understand it. Cool. The russian governments position was the following. Fairly hol, let them joint and well wait it out. Were hardly in the front of the mother. Yes, i cannot. These, you cant. Its not easy. If it works out well, we can use it to our advantage. If it turns out badly, then we had nothing to do with it much that are either so last time we spoke we um, we shared with you uh, some of the exams are found by the tablets under locations or the tablets. Um. Can you tell us why you manage to find the yes, we ran all the names and code names of wagner fighters thought to have been in libya through a database. The database was compiled by ukrainian volunteers during fighting an Eastern Ukraine in 201420155 University Unit b, that we were able to identify 2 or 3 of the fighters on the triple lima by it. So i thought of the proposal, the 3 kinds of people you oh wow, thats amazing. Are you able to share with me one of the identities on in the chat . So can have a look which is which we now know that this is dimitri, but on se was born in 1993, which is code name. So letting that makes sense. And if its the name of a river embody gotcha. And the Russian Far East of them is weird. See, hes from buddy up to you and that explains his code name. Did you me a junior . Did you want me to assist you with his personnel . Number, it shows hes one of the 1st people that joined wagner, who called me to explain to me that it was with numbers up to 3000. What are those who went to fight 6 years ago and ukraines and not an issue . They went through syria and theyre now in africa allocated to the early so the looking at his birth date is about 28 years old. So that means he started the fight and we were back in there at the start of his twentys. Yes, judging from his age, he probably completed his national service, then the crane conflict started. Thats how he got involved. And you said youd be doing sort of the pacific on which we stood, or what if ive sent you another link, but i dont check this my pretty soon the, this is the data and, and me, its kim at tell kids and say door and tray of it, i hope i pronounced that correctly as model how to code name meddler made me to the meta, exactly a short version of his surname. And thats the kind of showing that you will find me. What information everybodys together about this guy. Hes significantly older than but on top over 35, judging from his personal number, he also joins wagner, 5 or 6 years ago during the fighting and the eastern new crane being the best i can, can i, you know, and yeah. So seeing this interesting picture of this guy was a big tattoo units on a chest. Any idea what is taught to means . Yes, i see its a sun wheel. Hes probably some kind of nazi or nazi. I dont. This is a common thing amongst background soldiers. Yes. There are some so do you have um its not a phobic believes in. I dont think they care if they fight in muslim countries or anywhere else. They started out finding an orthodox ukraine and that didnt seem to matter. I dont think religion is the main thing here in a business, and youre good to go to, to be an option. What was it that attracted you to the organization . Didnt get the money with him and you know, as of the little numbers to catch the but id already been a volunteer fighter and done boss in ukraine able to go and you dont want to keep away in the i no longer believe in the romance of war certificate by not i knew the reality. So get onto the website again. I just needed the money to junior, which, so thats good. We went to the talk about going to libya, start distributing. But its going to show we started talking about it early on. Im sure whenever theres some kind of armed conflict. Wagner soldiers talk about it. Luckily, im not sure and go, you could go to this one. That could be one for us. I wouldnt go to the polluted one the door. But almost as cars are starting to get a, its a contract at the ding every contract in every country means money. Yes. And you have to come through without a contract . No money. So did you do that or what the pricing to be . The minimum, how many wagner people were deployed in libya . We yeah, i was my brother. I know about 2 units and they were replaced by another to me. I knew about them. So if you have some tubs of law school, how many, many Union Members . I dont know exactly around a 1000 i seem to get the some cause of getting into these each i so thats an i some i have a tablet that we got from one of the wagner locations of my uh, equipment and on and off months were buying them, their forces are in rid, yours are in blue. Uh, let me see how the i was stationed here, the fucking town river long. And then when you were stationed there, yes, 50 the enemy knew precisely where you were or how does that deal with the model is over already. Its a strange feeling to think that they tracked all our movements. Obviously already been well enough for them to come to me through the final, but that was the wagner position. Weve located whether this is one of our positions and thats partners, whether they can, but you can view for fun or the sets of trench or anything in advance. Or how are they able to locate you so precisely . And go to the doctor and they monitored us with small drones. The home number 5 in front of me identify. And some of the wagner menu were fighting. Would you like to know who they were . Their name is on the pictures as not home. Oh so i dont of the, this is one of the point saved on the tablet thats its named after one of them in municipal part of this called metal or some mixed up. So that was our position and then an estimate of cameron who are his full name is said or to tell can i was born in 1984 which makes in on 37. 00 about that i think the center as a sort of thats his picture. This is one of the guys who were fighting in se hoodie, it feels weird. Of course that is much older than you send them before. These are believed in the amount of supposed to. Sure. Our guys are 21 years old. So thats a huge difference that it can be a really miami effects of where the and boost it says that it means that they were fighting well trained russians all older than 30 and then and no can as close to the man. And i for one more moment, imagine what the battles would have been like if our people had been the same age and was add, you keep canyon. And i said, hey, cool, the discussion of the maam, you have to study. I served for a long time in the organization in syria for going to us these get them one year. When the Libya Campaign started envelope, i didnt want to take as far as the learn you does a not in syria so many but, and definitely not in libya vulnerability. The least you know, just well. I took part in the storming of palmera, virginia, and youve to meet the liberation of the oil fields. Scope. Its how many of them died. Well, im always glad, but judy, we, if you asked me too many, we you know, put up the numbers. Ok. We know that one of their primary re minutes was to protect the pulmonary helped mirror area. That area is really the heart of oil and Gas Production in, in syria. We saw spreadsheets with, you know, millions and millions of roubles being transferred in exchange for providing infrastructure, security and perimeter, security and securing the oil and gas facilities. And the wagner group would get a portion of the take from, from the production. Basically, the draft of the contract became public in early 2018. The 2 partners were allegedly, the Syrian Government and a Russian Company. As real posies. The Russian Company not only appear to profit from the gas and oil production, but was also apparently connected to the wagner group in libya. Whats been at stake there are, you know, both oil um delivery from the ports as well as Gas Production facilities in that sort of been gauzy area. And then, you know, going, you know, south and east word warehouse are, is, is prevalent. The wagner mercenaries are sought to have taken up positions and key libyan oil fields. After the assault on tripoli, a contorted know what it means. Thats 3 statues. Honor the wagner. You groups comfortably play music. One shows a soldier. Protecting a child is sick. If the artist had been honest and the soldier would be protecting an oil the last quarter, well and youve to move with i said i am a new sort of general. How do i look at all of this guns .

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