Connected and we meet to the canyon star gazer, inspiring young people to look up on each for the stocks the i, eddie micah junior. And you are welcome to the Program Operation to do that. And the migraines group in south africa has registered as a political policy to run in next the elections. The organization was created in 2020 as the social media campaign, with a hash tag puts out africa fast. It leads im offering to an Organization Called will permission to do that. Now the way to do that means push out in the zoo language. The group has become notorious for reading. Business is owned by foreign nationals aiming to drive them out of the country. President s are my tulsa has gone down to prison to do that, i see quote, vigilante like force, but its all righty. So ive been seeing us slow in toggling increasing mob jestice will get more from on a list in the moment. The fast deed of use, diane hawkeye, has this report from john, his big why why this is operation to do . Not they one migrants to leave, so that for can townships and are ready to force them out. The intentions ox in the name to do the means push out is on the they believe too much of the townships economy erased in the hands of migrants up until now operation to do last focused on closing down shops. They claim was set up illegally by foreign nationals. Now the organization has decided to re brand itself as a political party, aiming to running some effort as 2020 full national elections. And to find a way to reach is at the calls the policies. Thats why theyve been accused of xenophobia and inciting violence against migrants is not really the so thats because political environment is quite competitive and supported Community Levels doesnt automatically translate into votes. However, operation to deal up in these that the issues that is competing on which includes unemployment and poverty will resonate with residents of the way to an other township. Across south africa. Over 40 percent of people of watching age are currenty unemployed in south africa. And this is late to tensions over jobs. Many my twins accept lower wages and work longer hours, the locals, my feelings as well as now my gum walk. And if you go to many of the companies, theyve hired a lot of migrants. Now people who travel from different parts of south africa are looking for work. We cant get any jobs. But operation to do that has shown us that we should do things for ourselves. It was in my area. Most of the houses are owned by foreigners. Have you got to become an affordable for local people . Oh, no bundle. Com. What about the 2500 and i was calling about the 999 and the build up to the Election Organization plans to change the fights rates on township shops, cold spots us they claim the foreign own shops, the operating legally selling expired goods and want the stores to be taken over by so that for instance, many of the shops are run by people from if you open talk to sony or somebody, communities theyve made so africa, the home and the leave, the country is constitution. Office and protection. It says sylvester to belongs to all who live in it. The data must be plan of integration, economic integration in get for me. Thats why we should be able to look at elements we have to because we have to give and if some problem we have to look for richard because i know you know, just to let you do not want to give. I know is for me, can pull date location for before many operations do live sitting up branches in old 9 provinces. While the support is growing, in some townships, the policies dont afflict abuse or community. Many south africans live alongside migrants from across africa and beyond. From on this lets bring in doctor anthony, cause a boney. Hes a head of research at the university of john, his bags Africa Center for evidence and want to start off. It goes leading experts on migration policies. Hello and welcome to the program. So now do you a person who do not potty claims to have widespread supports, but how widespread is that . Supports a good afternoon. Thank you for having me. Um, when one looks at the kind of publicity, what questions did you like comment . Particularly with fast social media as well as conventional media channels. It may seem like there are more port with that and actually the one is also to understand a, as in restore publishing today is quite popular across the face of products that africa most of the population is experiencing whats commented as a dr. Triple try that. So you will realize that in communities better experiencing high levels of prevents united employment, they may get support. So its not to get an accurate way to imagine that this uh, the july and to in our Political Parties has a problem. Some parts of the country. Mm. Okay, yeah, but what they do clearly has set overwhelming consequences. One could say a member of oppression to do the apache. Isaac literally said this on record, and i quote, review, illegal immigrants, us criminals, and the must go back to the countries isnt, isnt a phobia. So we need to deal with president s and we need to do with stereotypes and discrimination and not on so that gives us an appropriate and not all fluttering. Thats actually not the story data. And i just, um, size that goes with it himself. Last year, during a launch of 50 ports that i led striking one bus and you make arrangements, they do come across saying those accidents, they do projects, the idea that they have a huge support and um, it is now whats also wondering if i, if i may be honest with you, its how did you learn to it goes to an extent on products. So you really need to start looking at how the conditional action plan interest implemented by the country in trenton 19 in order to deal with issues about racism. First of all, Discrimination Center for big which is in other forms of discrimination to ensure that um, people who makes and of what the products is that help comfortable people. As you wait center for the fireman, spouse are held accountable. Now, many supporters of refreshing to do that have been accused of hate speech and physical violence isnt the consent that they could spread as an a phobia even more as a political party. The concern is this isnt right. The concept is history of last year made last chain into some United Nations experts noted that. So that should go, wasnt the trip, press a piece of explosive violence and they, we particularly focusing on a person to do that. Then when it was a breach advantage by looking at the way we are now and how the independent electro commission has registered the the speech atlantic. Right. We are very conservative. Not only stellar stick party now its, its watering. It is why we and indeed uh, refreshing to do that, you know, they, they want foreign nationals who in the country unofficially to be the part of the things that advocates constitution gives limited rights to all people within the countrys board is regardless of nationality or bad place, so shouldnt operation to do those actions to be deemed illegal or unconstitutional because from where we see things now theyve just become such a natural part of society. The constitution, particularly switching to the bill of science, gives them rights to everyone course in south africa. And its important to understand and locate the level of documentation so that the department of former phase has a c be backed up. And the department in itself has administrative united ways with instruction. So if you understand the lack of documentation within the context further, more than many south africans with south faces, it becomes very tricky to allow such a dangerous group moving at onto communities terrorizing people an update. So what does the rise of operation to do the see about side Africa Society overall . This instance we look at how the independent intellectual commission accepted or products and control a. Its a learning curve for everyone. Its a learning curve for policymakers, for low make us to look at the criteria that have listed in the way of our not it would be wise and acceptable to accept such updates. The fact that to but i shouldnt utilize come out and say that today will refrain from exercising violence. Its still watering that the premise of capacity so not understand this to punch your take understanding of whats the best you can sign west of african. So it seems to creates and foster discrimination on so would you say the current government, of course lots v a n c has done enough to you know, slow down or prevents such a retro x from oppression to do that. Its because its um, its more complicated than authorization to do the um the, the current government is struggling instead of areas. And unfortunately, people keep political positions and people in senior government. Theyve also been perpetuating some of these reasons federal petition to do last less strong to which was around the lack of Employment Opportunities has been attribute it to an old us north immigrants. But if you look at the statistics, they present a very different picture. The citizens of africa, base and continued to indicate that it was about a 6. 00 team population in the country, which is in line with international norms. Youll hear that they make us a responsible, you know, for the decline. And so is Service Delivery in the decline and social welfare, the decline of healthcare facility is looking at healthcare in itself. You know, it does precautions to statistically impossible for us to be responsible for failing. Okay, so thats okay. Thats anthony. Because the bony from the university of john is back. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you for having ad of busy as Global Climate conference cop 28. There is concern about how are changing climate con fuel conflicts on the continent. We will explore the topic in a bit about lets perhaps look at an example from kind of where Climate Change has displaced large numbers of people in the fall and also the country. Fighting about Water Supplies in 2021, forced thousands of people to leave their homes. The you and hcr reports that around 50 people were killed in the classes. 2 years later, many people have not been able to attend due to abuse blaze, a young travel to the village of bogo and sent us this report. I have to go to out of here, im gonna do, but its a successful call to follow me. He grizzers dum, around the village to go. Well, he doesnt know what to do right now. The she at the drive shes in the started for to and this was meet what you thought im a problem was the last dont go to them during the dry season. The farmers who have water close to their farms dont allow us to take our animals near them to use the water. While we have to move away and fetch water from the stream. Another solution is to pay people who have the necessary equipment to pump water from the ground. We want them to me, i mean, get an ottoman getting on the movers. Seeing the weather, become unpredictable over the last couple of years. Seems like his feet are too hot. And dry all to with the lack of water has become a source of conflict. These refers, you come in, the village is home to 5000 people. Sadly have to buy a new green meal. When he left his village, cheese was destroy, winning feet as burned down his house 2 years ago. That was when fighting broke out between his drive the true arrives at troy, middle middle of the of the capital head. This moves before last. The form is unofficial man. For whom dea mundell, the fisherman and our Community Created pills of water for fishing when a wedding thats when the cats will go there and start to drink the water. They make a mess and the water runs out to the pools with fish, then die. And all this leads to conflict between the fishermen and the Cattle Breeders had been a couple of and it did indeed kind of what the fighting was so bad. But at least 100000 people flipped the chart before the 15000. I know intentionally dismissed person sleeping and comes like this one. Mike, its been almost 2 years since she left her home. But returning doesnt seem to be an option for her. The just hi, how to ive never thought of going back. It hasnt even occurred to me to return to our village because every time i think of the conflict, i get scared. I prepare to stay here even if i have nothing to eat, id rather stay here, then go back to my village. The people here have found a safe place to stay, but with the obvious effect of Climate Change still haunting this region. It may just be a matter of time before these people have to move to another place. Outside the village, move us to it, what they can he and his brothers this cost of what to do the one to 30 just to help the Community Around for the if the impact of Climate Change continues as it has no, i expect the government to find ways to help us and then we can never abandon our animals in need of animals. The 1st thing we saw when we were born into this world. But the only thing we can do is we have trouble finding loans degrees they on and most of them and go to the government that has to help us data in our country bundles and uh oh. And then the government has not offer much help. So the people at the can many people are struggling to find enough to eat. And this is todd of what permits has to be a long, dry season. Joining me now from nairobi can you is and as i mean most she, we from the International Crisis group. Shes a Senior Analyst for climate environment and conflict, africa. Hello and has any nice to see you again. Now based on what we just saw in the report from canada and tell us more about the connection between Climate Change and conflicts, or you can also you have to in the fall and the coverage is extremely complicated. I think its clear from, from your reports that there is a lot of climate stress on the region. So, you know, 20 years ago people used to pray for rains now. Those same rains, or destroying psalms of flooding, the area, the dose at the same time, you have a lot of water points in the region, a little bit of a band. And because i just drawing up. So theres whether it streams already putting a lot of pressure on communities. And i think what we can say is that theyre all in direct. Yes and no, i believe links between climate environment and deadly conflict. Is it then fair to say that if we fight Climate Change, we reduce the chances of conflict in some of these regions . I think it really depends, but it could potentially be one avenue. Um, often where we have conflicts, whether the conflicts do a militant groups or into camino violence, we often see governments basically approaching these issues with a very securitized response. But what they could do is basically not only step up age delivery, because often a lot of these regions need a need to age, but they could escalate the violence through community let piece initiative. But in the medium to long time, what of governments and International Donors need to do is invest intro as a patient in areas that are suffering from droughts, but also build up Climate Resilience in terms of slots as well are. And they also need to make use of these existing uh, the warning systems. So to help convenient sees, anticipate and also absorb some of these climates shots, which are coming out. You said in a recent article that let me get to it. Discussions about Climate Change can no longer for to about look, motus, of peace and stability. Well, cop 28th is just a month away. How confident are you that . Well, lead us. Well take this issue seriously. As well as looks like the signs at the moment on goods as, as you for, we know, the distribution of climate financing funds from dining. Those may ames, grossly on a cool, i mean all research and also research some of the other research, as shown in many countries grappling with the Climate Change and conflict receive and on average of use such as the climate financing per capita. Theres a piece thats mainly because of the cost dont as a really risk of us that they want to invest in, in countries, whether its conflict or political instability. But the problem is that climate financing is even more paramount in those spots all contacts and looking forward to comp 28. 00, which is being held into by later on this year. But unfortunately, we still dont even have the basic guarantee that the 100000000. 00 a year that was promised by welfare countries up from us and commitment was made in 2009 were 2023. We still dont have the basic commit mean yes. And the reality would fall for money in the long run would talking about trillions of dollars know billions of dollars in the long run, particularly for the areas that were talking about here on the continent in africa. I mean, the future doesnt seem so bright when it comes to promises made about money. So heres the thing though. If the global north does not fulfill the responsibility, what does it need . It from africa need is themselves to address the double that sort of Climate Change and conflict that you know, theres a lot of talk about a green. The vision, basically is focus on greed, investments on the continent. And you know, a new label, financial packed. You hear this from a kid is present within reach, so you oversee all the also hear this from ebay dose is Prime Minister mostly on the bridge town initiative. So youre talking about a kind of new and National Financial architecture where the developing countries could be helped through new and as in the budget, financing, basically green financing, all, you know, agreeing transition. But even that needs to be looked out through a conflict lens as well, because a lot of these issues when youre talking about, you know, critical minerals, low comp and technologies. Oh yes, of course, african nations could benefit economically. But they need to be thinking about how they can negotiate that or deals. They need to also be thinking about in the destruction. How conflict could be sparked for, for these areas, reduce investments. And of course, excellency and dont stay all doctors in the region who could manipulate these investments to up. So a lot of these issues which be dealt with, but they need to be thoug