Its also contributing to Human Conflict on the continent who look at how they are connected. And we meet the canyon star gazer, inspiring young people to look up on each for the stats, the i, eddie mike, a junior and you are welcome to the program. Refreshing to do that. And im to my grants group in south africa as registered as the Political Party to run in next the elections. The organization was created in 2020 as the social media campaign, with a hash tag puts out africa fast. It lead time often to an Organization Called oppression to do that. Now the way to do that means push out in the language, the group has become notorious for reading. Business is owned by foreign nationals, amiens drive, the miles of the country. Precedents are, my post has gone down to prison, to do to ask the quote, vigilante like force by the authorities. Ive been seeing us slow in toggling increasing mob justice. Well get more from on a list in a moment, but fast deed of use diane hawkeye, has this report from john, his big why why this is operation to do not they want migrants to leave, so that for can townships and are ready to force them out the intentions ox in the name to do the means push out is they believe too much of the townships economy erased in the hands of migrants up until now operation to do last focused on closing down shops. They claim was set up illegally by foreign nationals. Now the organization has decided to re brand itself as a Political Party aiming to rodney and saw that for dis 2020 full National Elections and to foreign or richard is at the calls the policies. Thats why theyve been accused of xenophobia and inciting violence against migrants. It is not we we really so thats because political environment is quite competitive and supported Community Levels doesnt automatically translate into votes. However, operation to deal up in these that the issues that is competing on which includes unemployment and poverty will resonate with residents of the way to an other township. Across south africa. Over 40 percent of people of working age are currently unemployed in south africa. And this is late to tensions over jobs. Many my twins accept lower wages and work longer hours. The locals are my feelings. If working on my com walk. And if you go to many of the companies, theyve hired a lot of migrants. Now people who travel from different parts of south africa are looking for work. We cant get any jobs. But operation to do that has shown us that we should do things for ourselves. That was in my area. Most of the houses are owned by foreigners. Have you got to become an affordable for local people . Oh, no bundle. Com. But what about the 2500 and i call him back at 999 in the bold up to the Election Organization plans to intensify its rates on township shops. Quote, spots us, as they came to certain own shops, the operating legally selling expired goods and want the stores to be taken over by saw the africans. Many of the shops are run by people from if you open talk the stony o somali communities theyve made so africa, the home and the leave, the country is constitution, office and protection. It says sylvester to belongs to all who live in it. There must be a plan of calculation if were not making the direction in get for meaning. Thats why we should be able to look at enemies. We have to because we have to guess and if some problem we have to look for richard to give a look, you know, the 4 digit pin. I want to give an explanation for that location for before many operations do live, sitting up branches in old 9 provinces. While the support is growing, in some townships, the policies dont reflect the views of community. Many south africans live alongside migrants from across africa and beyond. From on this, lets bring in doctor anthony cuz the boney. Hes the head of research at the university of john, his bags, Africa Center for evidence, and want to start off. It goes leading experts on migration policies. Hello and welcome to the program. Say, now do you a person who do not potty claims to have widespread supports, but how wide spread is that supports a good afternoon. Thank you for having me. Um, when one looks at the kind of publicity, what question did you like kinda particularly with uh, social media as well as negative conventional Media Channels . It may seem like theyre more popular than they actually are. Um, one is also to understand a, as in read sure publishing today is quite a popular across the face of products that africa most of the population is experiencing what commented as a dr chip or try that. So you will realize that in communities better experiencing high levels of progress, united employment, they may get support. So its not to get an accurate way to imagine that this uh would you like me to in our Political Parties has a problem. Some parts of the country. Mm. Okay. Yeah. But what they do clearly has set overwhelming consequences. One could say a member of oppression to do the apache. Isaac lee slowly said this on record, and i quote with you illegal immigrants, us criminals, and the my school back to the countries isnt, isnt a phobia. So, we need to deal with president s and we need to do with stereotypes and discrimination. And not all for life skills as an appropriate and not all fluttering. Thats actually not confused or data. And i engaged um, im surprised that goes further install um last year during a launch of 50 ports that i let striking one busting you make arrangements. They do come across saying those asset instance, they do projects that the idea that they have a huge support and um, is it is now whats also wondering if i, if i move your honest with you, its how did you learn to it . Goes, can extend on products, so you really need to start looking at how the conditional action plan interest implemented by the country in trenton 9 to new motor, to deal with issues that out of racism. First of all, Discrimination Center for good, which is an other forms of discrimination to ensure that um, people who makes in a 40 category because i have the accountable people, it fits you 8 center for the expired and also held accountable me now many supporters of operation to do that, have been accused of hate speech and physical violence isnt the consent that they could spread is in a phobia even more as a Political Party or the concern is this isnt right. The concept is history. Last year, mid last scene into some United Nations experts noted that i still got sick, i was on the trip, press a piece of explosive violence and they, we particularly focusing on a person to do that. Then when it was a pitch advantage by looking at where we are now and how the independent Electrical Commission has registered the, the speech in line to the right wing. Very conservative, not understood. Lets take a parking now its, its water and it is why we and indeed uh, refreshing. To do that, you know, the, the ones foreign nationals who in the country on officially to be deported. But he has the things that advocates constitution gifts, limited rights to all people within the countries vote is regardless of nationality or bad play. So shouldnt operation to do those actions be deemed illegal or unconstitutional because from where we see things now theyve just become such a natural part of society. The constitution, particularly switching to the bill of rights, gives rights to everyone force in south africa. And its important to understand and locate the lack of documentation so that the department of former phase has a c big backstop. And the department in itself has administrative united ways with instruction. So if you understand the lack of documentation within that context for them all, then many south africans with south faces. It becomes very cheeky to allow such a dangerous group moving at onto communities to arising people, an update. So what does the rise of oppression to do the see about sort Africa Society overall this, im just going to look at how the independent initial commission accepted or products and control a. Its a learning curve for everyone. Its a learning curve for policy makers for low make as to look at the criteria that have listed and whether or not it would be wise and acceptable to accept such updates. The fact that the impression to the legs come out and say that they will refrain from exercising violence. Its still watering that the premise of capacity is a not understand this to punch your take understanding of whats about you can sign west of african. So it seems to creates and foster discrimination on so would you say the current government, of course large v a n c has done enough to, you know, slow down or prevents such a rhetoric from oppression to do to its because its so slow, complicated then already sent to do the um the, the current government is struggling in a, in several areas. And unfortunately, people keep political positions and people in senior government. Theyve also been perpetuating some of these reasons special petition to do last less strong to which was around for lack of employment opportunities, has been attribute it to an old us north immigrants. But if you look at the statistics, they presented very different picture the citizens of africa, base and continued to indicate that stay it was about 6. 5 can we can population in the country, which is in line with them with international norms. Youll hear that they make us are responsible, you know, for the decline and so a Service Delivery in the decline and social welfare. The decline of healthcare facility is looking at healthcare in itself. You know, at that proportion is statistically impossible for us to be responsible for feeding. Okay, so thats okay. Thats anthony because the boney from the university of john is back. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you for having i had of busy as Global Climate conference comp 28. There is concern about how are changing climate con, fuel and conflicts on the continent will explore the topic in a bit about lets perhaps look at an example from kind of where Climate Change has displaced large numbers of people in the 5 north of the country. Fighting about Water Supplies in 2021, forced thousands of people to leave their homes. That you and hcr reported that around 50 people were killed in the classes. 2 years later, many people have not been able to attend the views, blaze a young travel to the village of bogo and sent us this report are ready to go to out of here. Im gonna do, but its a successful call to follow the grizzers them around the village and well go well, he doesnt know what to do right now. The she at the drive shes in the started for to and this was meet. What you saw on the problem was the last dont go to them during the dry season. The farmers who have water close to their farms dont allow us to take our animals near them to use the water. While we have to move away and fetch water from the stream. Another solution is to pay people who have the necessary equipment to pump water from the ground to even what the me, i mean getting not. And then getting on the movers seen the weather become unpredictable over the last couple of years. Seems like its either too hot and dry all to with the lack of water has become a source of conflict. These records you come in, the village is home to 5000 people. Sally had to buy a new green meal. When he left his village. Cheese was destroyed when vito is burned down his house 2 years ago. That was when fighting broke out between his drive. The 2 rugs tried, middle, middle of the of capital had the news before last. The farm is insufficient. Man. On the monday, the fishermen and our Community Created pills of water for fishing when they are waiting. Thats when the cats will go there and start to drink the water. They make a mess and the water runs out of the pools with fish, then die. And all this leads to conflict between the fishermen and the Cattle Breeders had been a couple of and it did indeed, dungeon when the fighting was so bad that at least 100000 people fled to chat before the 15000. I know internally displaced persons leading and comes like this one. Like its been almost 2 years since she left her home. But returning doesnt seem to be an option for her. The just hi, how to ive never thought of going back. It hasnt even occurred to me to return to our village because every time i think of the conflict, i get scared. I prepare to stay here even if i have nothing to eat, id rather stay here, then go back to my village. The people here have found a safe place to stay, but with the obvious effects of Climate Change still haunting this region. It may just be a matter of time before these people have to move to another place. Outside the village move on to it, what they can he and his brothers this cost of what to do the one to 30 just to help the community down for the if the impact of Climate Change continues as it has no, i expect the government to find ways to help us, we can never abandon our animals in need of animals or the 1st thing we saw when we were born into this world. But the only thing we can do is we have trouble finding loans, degrees animals, and go to the government that has to help us that data. And ive gone to one of those on um oh and then the government has not offer much help to the people at the can. Many people are struggling to find enough to eat and this is todd of what promises to be a long, dry season. Joining me now from nairobi, kenya is, and as i mean most, she, we from the International Crisis group. Shes a Senior Analyst for climate environment and conflict, africa. Hello and has any nice to see you again. Now based on what we just saw in the report from kimberly, and tell us more about the connection between Climate Change on conflicts. As you can also, you have to in it, as donald camry is extremely complicated. I think its clear from, from your report that there is a lot of climate stress on the region. So, you know, 20 years ago people used to pray for rains. Now those same rains are destroying psalms of flooding, the area, the dose at the same time. You have a lot of water points in the region, a little bit of a band. And because i just drawing up, so theres whether it streams already printing a lot of pressure on communities. And i think what we can say is that theyre all in direct. Yes and no, i feel links between climate, the environment, and deadly conflict. Is it then fair to say that if we fight Climate Change, we reduce the chances of conflict in some of these regions . I think it really depends, but it could potentially be one avenue. Um, often where we have conflicts, whether the conflicts do have minutes in groups or into camino violence, we often see governments basically purchasing these issues with a very securitized response. Well they could do is basically not only step pop age delivery cuz often a lot of these regions need a need to age, but they could escalate the violence through community let piece initiative. But in the medium to long time. Well, what governments and International Donors need to do is invest intro as a patient in areas that are suffering from droughts, but also need to build up Climate Resilience in terms of slots as well. And they also need to make use of these existing uh, the warning systems. So to help convenient sees, anticipate and also absorb some of these climate shots, which are coming out. You said in a recent article that let me get to it. Discussions about Climate Change can no longer afford to buy look motus of piece on stability. Well, comp, 28th is just a month away. How confident are you that . Well, lead us. Well take this issue seriously. As well as looks like the signs at the moment on goods as, as you for, we know, the distribution of climate financing, the funds from diving, those may ends grossly on a cool, i mean, all research and also research some of the other research as a show in the many countries grumbling with those Climate Change conflict receive and on average only as such as the climate financing per capita. Theres a piece thats mainly because of the cost dont as a really risk of us that they want to invest in, in countries, whether its conflicts or political instability. But the problem is that climate financing is even more paramount in those spots all contacts and looking forward to cop 28. 00, which is being held into by nature on this year. But unfortunately, we still dont even have the basic guarantee that the 100000000. 00 a year that was promised by welfare countries up for missing commitment was made in 2009 when 2023. We still dont have the basic commit many. Yes. And the reality would fall for money in the long run would talking about trillions of dollars know billions of dollars in the long run, particularly for the areas that were talking about here on the continent enough. Because, i mean, the future doesnt seem so bright when it comes to promises made about money. So heres the thing though, is the global north does not fulfill the our responsibility. What is needed from africa need is themselves to address the double that sort of Climate Change and conflict that you know, theres a lot of talk about a green vision. Basically a focus on Green Investments on the continent. And you know, a new level, financial packed. You hear this from a kid is present within reach. So you over to also hear this from bay dose is Prime Minister me and mostly the bridge town initiative. So youre talking about a kind of new and National Financial architecture where the developing countries could be helped through new and as a, in the budget financing, basically green financing. All, you know, agreeing transition. But even that needs to be looked out through a conflict lens as well, because a lot of these issues, what youre talking about, you know, critical minerals, low comp and technologies. Oh, yes, of course, african natio