And interesting thing in the program is the verdict of Serhiy Rudenko with monday through friday at 8 00 p. M. Repeat at 12 10 a. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A long struggle , pentagon Spokesman Brigadier general Patrick Ryder said this at a briefing. In the comments of us defense minister lloyd austin that it will be a marathon and not a sprint , summarizing that washington will continue to support ukraine as long as necessary. I havent seen the original yet, so that you can make sure that its about what im going to talk about now, but this thesis has already been picked up by the russian scumbags, allegedly, joseph biden, the american president is actually addressing the congress for that to be in concept for the future, in the concept of er help to our country, a kind of help was included for taiwan, er, they say even for those who do not really want to support our country now, this will be an argument for ukraine to support ivaniv please vote, i will definitely check this information, you still need to contact the original source, but i think that when we have the opportunity , we will talk about the painful topic, we will get back to you in touch oleksandr pavlichenko, executive director of the Ukrainian Helsinki Union of of human rights oleksandr congratulations, congratulations, im asking for your help in untangling the numbers, you know, because you can get confused in them at first. The moscow occupier announces that. The ukrainian children were taken to russia and. 700,000 is called the figure, well, that is, the socalled terrorist of lviv bilova, who, together with putin, is looking for the hague, after which the representative of the president of ukraine for childrens rights, daria gerasimchuk, says no, the number is too high, it can go to the eye, the number of deported children can be in the region of 200 to 300,000 people, and thats if we can still show what she made public our uh hmm, the National Police today, these are completely different numbers. Look there, where the crimes against children from the last row are deported to russia. 20,000. Well, you understand. 700,000, 200,000 , 20,000. This is of a completely different order, the magnitude of the crime, then explain to us what is wrong with those numbers and you absolutely rightly raise the question that it is necessary to be clear and correct with the numbers. I can even clarify that maria lvova bilova did not say 700 but 740,000. The approximate number that ee use russian and actually, it is generally about the number of people under the age of 18 who have crossed the borders of the Russian Federation since the full scale invasion. This is the number of about 700740,000 children , but here we have to ask whether they are considered to have the status of deportees and those who have been forcibly displaced. To determine the number of children who can be considered as wanted and are considered to be uh or displaced or from them they are now listed in the category of those who have no information about them, they are uh missing and here we will need more statistics concrete with specific personal data, and this figure that you last showed 19. 5 thousand is actually uh information about how many children uh who are declared as displaced and there is no information about them uh this is information from relatives information from uh those who are looking for these children some of these children are in russia in the status of being deported, and they are victims of deportation. Some of these children may have died as a result of hostilities, and they have no information and no opportunity to learn about their fate. The search for information and information about these children continues. Actually, the problem is that, for example , tens of thousands of people were deported from the same mariupol , among them, in fact, several thousand children , because the population is women, children. Maybe there are almost 7080 some of these children were exported, and some could have died during those hostilities, let me remind you that we had such brutal terrorist acts as , for example, the dropping of this aerial bomb on the drama theater in mariupol, where an unknown number of people died, but it is calculated by a number, there may be more than a thousand people, and accordingly, there are other, lets say, such tragic pages that are connected with the possibility of the death of children who appear as those who are currently missing, some of them could. We with the numbers more or less then understood why such a im sorry but lets go lets look at it in this way and through the eyes of the Ukrainian Helsinki Union and human rights because we see the work of our boatswain. We hear the call of our American Partners there who say immediately return the deportees. Children are taken away. They seem to be kept in summer camps. They say that they are actually being rehabilitated in concentration camps without the right to move without documents. To return to ported children is now working, well, before that, i was not completely involved in this , lets say, the Verkhovna Rada commissioner for human rights, it was the prerogative of the childrens ombudsman and those structures that were created to support this process and took place, lets say assistance in the removal of children who today appear as those who have been returned to ukraine, and this is actually the merit of those International Organizations and partners and National Organizations that were involved in the removal of single children, lets say such in isolated situations where it was possible to establish a connection between the family and the child or between the guardian and the child and the guardian drove and picked up the child with the appropriate documents, it was possible to do this and there were resources and funds for this, e. E. In general, the issue of returning children is really acute and here ukraine should use, most likely, powerful International Partners such as patron states. I think that saudi arabia and this summit that is being held this month in august have the same the priority issue is to consider including this in this process and, first of all, to create a list of those children who are considered to be deported, are victims of deportation , because i will remind you that some of the children moved voluntarily and they have relatives there. They have arrangements there that they now they are going through the process of russification, transfer to another nationality and other citizenships, this is a problem, when, at the same time, to return them, as it is very voluntary, when we say voluntarily, about minors, such decisions such as the relocation of children are made either by guardians or by relevant state bodies, that is, it should be decided by the ukrainian state and the bodies that represent it, but it is not correct to speak separately. At the beginning of the largescale invasion, they were actually deported or they were offered to move to the territory of the Russian Federation and, accordingly , they left with their children, this was not deportation, this was population transfer in fact, they went to their relatives and acquaintances at some other addresses, etc. And this is a huge number of the population, more than a million of the population that left, and that is why we are talking about the categories of those who were deported first. You correctly point out that when it came to the removal of children, for example from or orphanages or ee family houses of the family type ee there was no proper permit there was no proper actually organized procedure for their return to the territory of ukraine this category is definitely considered deported and they are victims of this process, and now it is very important for ukraine to make a clear analysis and have a specific figure and track the fate of these children, demanding their return, not those who are with their parents, and there are actually tens of hundreds of thousands of such children who are with their parents in the territory of the Russian Federation and they dont want to return to ukraine and they dont want the keyword p oleksandr, we dont have much time, but this is what we talked about many times at the baptism, using the example of crimea. And now we can talk more about how representative of the Helsinki Union , can you explain to us, lets look at the day ahead. How do they say about the future . Look, there is a category of children, did they leave russia or were they left in the temporarily occupied territories, it doesnt matter if they were there, for example, 1112 years old at the beginning after the war, they were rewired by all kinds of guards. The 14th anniversary of 2022, from the 14th year, they were, for example, 11 years old, and as of today, they are already fullfledged young people whose heads and consciousness have been rewired. They could to do in the territories of the Russian Federation, which we see how they did it in summer camps, concentration camps with our children in belarus and in russia, and the day will come , the day will come when we will have to carry out not only the russification of this territory from agencies of collaborators filtering procedures but the day will come when we will have to answer what to do with these young ukrainians who have been reassigned to russian vashiks, is there any solution, do you have a recipe for what to do with them, you are raising the issue of transitional justice, in fact, there is a few questions and here to the question of whether i have an answer to this problem, this is a problem that affects not only children it is a problem of the entire population in the occupied territories and how, first of all, should we consider their participation and how to determine their status or is are they collaborators or are they those who have committed some crimes or have they simply been in these territories and , accordingly, what further restrictions do they have in their rights, lets say the right to participate in some electoral processes or some other restrictions, and there is no question about whether this person was 18 or 25 or 20 years ago. Let me remind you that it was nine years ago. For those who were there, you say 11, and maybe 20 years should be there, and accordingly they are already there. Yes, take half a minute to finish your opinion, please. And actually, once again, this is a strategy of transitional justice. Which the state should work out and you with it to the deoccupied territories. Thank you oleksandr pavlichenko, the executive director of the Ukrainian Helsinki Union for human rights was in touch with us, but now we will touch on the situation in zakarpattia and we are in touch with vitaliy glagol, journalist vitaliy rada see and hear glory to ukraine glory to the heroes thank you for responding to our need to somehow highlight the incident is now quite resonant, information about it is spreading in social networks, the office of the prosecutor general reported that at the end of july , a man was detained on the border with slovakia on suspicion of a completed attempt to traffic in minors children for the purpose of exploitation according to a prior conspiracy by a group of people, actually, he declares the sale of children from the boarding school to foreign authorities, and at the end of july, the head of the perechyn city council, ivan pohorilyak publishes the video and the testimony of the person involved in the case, eh, actually there, eh, these testimonies are also about other persons involved , potential persons involved. We do not have any sentences completed now, or even suspicions. As far as i understand, it is possible that the representatives of the management and staff of the boarding school could to be involved in illegal actions against ukrainian minor children who are deprived of fullfledged parental care for various reasons transcarpathia, please, congratulations once again, studio. So, regarding this story, uh, uh, this video was filmed in the Pretrial Detention Center where uh, this man is currently being held, who is an exemployee of an orphanage, uh, boarding school, uh, served two different he does not work in any of these institutions, and in fact this man intended to sell a child here in ukraine to a resident of the zhytomyr region for 5,000. Vii gave a deposit of 1,000, but the woman herself , when they approached her with such an offer, informed Law Enforcement organs and already with them cooperating at the border, the ukrainian Law Enforcement officers detained the man already after he passed the Ukrainian Border control, that is, according to the plan, the mother and the child together with him were to cross the border and give the child to her husband in slovakia, he was supposed to give the rest of the amount and she was to return to ukraine and to the mother himself. He said that the child was going to be adopted, but already in the video taken by other detainees in the Pretrial Detention Center where they communicate with him, he admitted that he knew that the child was going to the authorities when his i was the first to write about it and then i had information that it was definitely for sale a child in order to get organs from her , i. E. For organ transplantation, but at that time there was no clear evidence of the Law Enforcement officers and the official statement about the guards simply they announced the sale of the child in their statement, the man named several employees of the perechyn boarding school, but what is strange is that the man talked about himself there for 30 seconds, that he knew where he was taking the child, and so on, and about those other employees of the boarding school as the Network Calls this video a confession or a child trafficker, but the following question is not completely clear are these employees really involved in child trafficking . Is this a man trying to shift the center of attention to his committed crime on the employees, on his former colleagues, in his video it is about that the director of the boarding school, a lawyer who works at the boarding school, and the son of the director of this boarding school, who was registered as a driver and according to his statement, was a driver only in those cases when it was necessary to drive in some a summer camp or, er, on some kind of excursion to europe, there to meet the family of europe, er, the children of this boarding school, they went there and to the netherlands very often for summer vacations, and in the usa, and so on, because of the statement of this man, er, if he went there er 25 children went abroad and 23 returned, and the others there, according to official information, did they stay for treatment in europe or the usa, that is, they simply disappeared, they are no longer seen, there was no contact with them, and they said that there parents do not want adoptive parents do not want to communicate with them there somewhere or they are in the hospital, but i emphasize, i emphasize that these are the statements of a man who was detained while trading, and all these statements must be checked by Law Enforcement officers, because he actually understood that the man is telling quite a lot of details, but he is on social networks after his video statements began to appear, publications of pupils of this boarding school where they completely denied the accusations of the man there to the director to the lawyer to the educators of the employees and spoke in support of these people , it is clear that what is still in italy there far to the end to put dots over and this is here now i would like to understand about this story a little differently look before the war it was possible to see clearly you see how the border works how the double bass works how all these schemes work well, i dont have to tell you but in this in one case, i also saw how a child was adopted from an orphanage from luhansk in slovenia, i was at a christening and they are my parents, her new child is still sleeping, happy and healthy, but they told me how much money it cost and how much they gave out bribes and what kind of mafia this is the story is an isolated case, do you as a journalist already know that there were similar things that were brought to court, and i would like to remind you that in the western ukrainian region , children from orphanages from the east and south of our country were targeted almost in the first days of the war countries, that is, such a story, i will tell you about two cases that i know for sure here, the first one is this one, and as far as i know, it is the only such case in ukraine where social Service Workers are also involved. And well, what about boarding school workers, it is so obvious when they were caught redhanded tim its not just that there was some kind of operational workup, its that the mother turned to the Law Enforcement officers from whom they offered to buy this child, and then the Law Enforcement officers actually jumped into the last car and spun this topic. That is, it s not a clean workup of the Law Enforcement officers. Detention, it is necessary to understand the first, the second, literally there, two weeks ago, he wrote to me on social networks after seeing that i raised this topic with this child trafficker, an italian wrote that he has something to do with school. Boarding school that i hope to go to the transcarpathia orphanage in italy, now the child who after the war, the child came to them and stayed in the family because there were risks even at that time in the first months that we did not know until the pig, the dogs would reach ukraine and the children they were taken abroad, resettled in italian families , and at the moment the child has adapted there and gotten used to it. And when the child has already joined the family , they are now trying to return them to the orphanage in transcarpathia, appealing that the danger has passed. Now i am actively dealing with this issue, i am trying to contact them that the husband accepted the child, the child lived a year, adapted to t