after the netherlands , he hands over his f16 to ukraine and denmark, and this country will take part in the training of ukrainian pilots after the netherlands. I will remind minister Mette Frederiksen that denmark has 44f16 in service and is ready to hand over 19 of them, the first six ukraine will receive it before the new year, said frederiksen , and please accept this gift as a sign that the danes do not unwaveringly support you in in your fight for freedom, we are on your side both now and in the future , and i promise you on behalf of all the dances and tributes, no matter how long this terrible war lasts, denmark will not give up. They will work here with the f16, and then they will work with the f16 in our skies. I was happy to hear good words about our soldiers from my colleagues, very clear and fair praise, they are motivated, like all of us in ukraine, and today it became known that ukraine will be able to receive from netherlands 42 planes 16 this was reported by Prime Minister mark rutte this happened during Volodymyr Zelenskyis official visit to the netherlands, the ukrainian president was shown his dream planes and was even allowed to sit in the pilots seat every time the defense and Security Forces of ukraine came for a new type of weapon, the hunchbacks leopards, patriots, we felt that this war is coming to an end, to an end with the victory of the free people of the free ukrainian people, f 16 will certainly give new such energy, confidence, new motivation Language Training is currently taking place for both soldiers and the civilian population, and in the future military training will begin as soon as possible, and then it will move to romania, that is, everything will happen very quickly in order to transfer the planes to ukraine as soon as possible. Meanwhile, we will work on the infrastructure so that the planes can take off safely and to land in ukraine, the next ramstein will take place in a month at the air base of the same name in germany, it will be held face toface, minister of defense Oleksiy Reznikov said, he noted that such meetings are held every month except for august, when the defense ministers of the partner countries are mostly on vacation, the key topic of the new discussion will be antiaircraft defense , in particular, and about aviation as its component. In addition, the agenda will include issues of artillery and ammunition for it, as well as Armored Vehicles of all types, at the same time among priorities, the training of our fighters, the renewal of brigades and the formation of new ones, i will remind you that the previous 14th ramstein took place on july 18 in a virtual format, more about the situation in the regions of ukraine, the russians struck again pokupyansk was damaged by artillery, the building of the Educational Institution was damaged in the gymnasium, there was a fire, there were repeated hits in the city center as a result of previous strikes , 11 people were injured, seven were in a serious condition , three on average, one more person was helped on the spot, five cars were destroyed and damaged, the post office arose several fires were reported by oleg synogubov, the head of the region. In addition, the russians occupied vovchansk in kharkiv oblast. One civilian was killed and one more suffered as a result of the enemy shelling of the village of kozatsk in Kherson Oblast, the head of the Regional Military administration Oleksandr Prokudin said. He noted that the russian occupiers shot at the residential building of the machine. Another civilian was also killed in novoboryslav. Was walking along the street, no mines were found, the sappers of the state Emergency Service carefully examined the water area on the odesa langheron beach, in general, they passed under water about 650 m² however, no dangerous objects were found earlier, vacationers noticed an object similar to a river anchor mine in the sea behind the breakwater, after which explosive devices arrived at the scene, at the same time , Law Enforcement officers warned people through loudspeakers about the danger and asked them to move to a safe distance in the temporarily occupied part of the kherson region , powerful explosions are heard according to local residents, they have been hearing the detonation of ammunition for more than an hour, informs the center of national resistance, this time the russians flew somewhere between the head of the pier and skadovsk, at the same time, the occupiers claim the successful work of their antiaircraft defense in this area of the network, photos of destroyed bombers at the russian soltsi airfield, which in the novgorod region can be seen in the photo, show that the 22nd bomber here is completely engulfed in fire. Let me remind you that this airfield is where russian bombers are based which are carriers of x22 missiles , moscow is sinking, russian propagandists report that a heavy downpour broke through the roof of an International Russian store, the premises are being filled with water in the very capital of russia Shopping Centers are also turning into water parks on some streets. The government is blocking traffic because the water is already kneedeep. Billions of rubles , propagandist media report , previously a strong current damaged 200 m of the Railway Track in borodyanka near the monument to the shot kobzar , the awarding of laureates of the National Prize took place Taras Shevchenko awards of ukraine for 2022 and 2023, a decree on the awarding of ukraines highest official creative award president Volodymyr Zelenskyi issued on july 28, for the first time in the history of the award, the names of the laureates were not announced on Taras Shevchenkos birthday , and the winners were determined in five nominations, including our colleague Vitaly Portnikov according to journalistic news, as war news, it is absolutely obvious that you just have a special mission, not just a job, but to always be close to your audience in the city, so i just think that war is the most serious test for journalism, for journalism, for culture in general, it is good that the aristocracy is our spirit, our political elite, our uh, well, the committee, so that they show where we need to orient ourselves, and that such sincere Sacrificial Service can be rewarded by the whole society, this is a very important sign for society, stop putler the match of the womens World Football championship had to be stopped for a few minutes. A fan ran onto the field with a tshirt calling for the russian dictator to be stopped and on his back was the inscription free ukraine and the map of our country, the truth with the odesa region cut off. By the way, spain won the final for the first time in history. They won against the england team with a score of 1 0. This is how this day was presented by the news editor. Read more on our website espresso tv, subscribe to our channels in social networks, be close and i will wait for you tomorrow in this studio at 2 00 p. M. Congratulations, lose, i want to start our conversation with such and such an intimate topic, if it can be called an intimate topic, what do you think mstislav keldesh great deed mstislav keldesh and when he was the president of the academy of the new ukrainian union, later he had huge awards from the soviet union, he became a twicetime hero of socialist labor , he was erected a bust in the homeland of the hero, as was accepted at that time, stavkysh was born on a flight during, by the way, paton hid him from the disgraced paton in ukraine for several months, you see you also remember this and this bust simply because it is plus two times the heroes of the socialist spice, he was safely idle until the russian ukrainian war and was now dismantled by the decision of the riga city duma, it passed i dont even know the decision about its dismantling. I dont even know whether it has already been dismantled or not. The stars of the hero of socialist labor were dismantled from it a long time ago. A tenyearold portrait of boris paton is standing in front of you. Boris was also twice a hero of socialist labor and has not been dismantled yet. And the question arises whether this bust with the stars of the hero should stand in the center of kyiv, this is not a question about patons personality, this is concrete, an outstanding scientist, the face of ukrainian science. Now you can look at the book about Volodymyr Shcherbytskyi with its premise, but we are not even talking about patons contribution now, about the fact that it is in a bust , as you know, in a pseudoroman style, placed twice heroes of the soviet union by the decision of socialist labor by the decision of the presidium of the Verkhovna Rada the ussr, should he be there . I just thought about it. Maybe i would have taken off these two stars. Maybe im not convinced, but i cant say for sure that i took them off. But maybe patons meaning is not in what he says, but in the fact that he is there, whats possible . Would this removed, but the bust of paton, by the way, one more thing, in addition to the fact that there was a story of skeldesh, the academy of sciences of its time did not agree to the construction of the Chernobyl Nuclear power plant as it was not pressured. Well, i think that paton simply had such opportunities as a member of the Central Committee of the cpsu , what is the nature of his will, not just that was to do believe me how in general how in general now to analyze the history of this heritage of the ukrainian ssr which was obvious to the colonial work but there were always people who in one way or another tried to at least preserve their own idea of decency and in in science and culture, we mentioned what he was about. I remember oles gonchar very well when he was a member of the Central Committee of the cpsu. Support, you understand. I myself would never print such a text, no one would simply not allow it. But at the same time, for many people, gonchar is a soviet writer and the head of the council of soviet writers, there are a lot of such people, but in spite of everything, this government, well, i have the authorities of independent ukraine named hound street of course, this is local selfgovernment, but you see, when there was a street renaming , we tried to protect it. Im not even talking about gonchar there. Desired street ise prospect. Yes, we dont have kremenchuk avenue, although the question arises again about the desired kremenchuk. These are two figures in soviet culture. There was not a single nonsoviet work, if you publish something, you cant see anything, it seems to me that he was not sigmatized because of her, because to her, well, i understand what claims there can be, so what to do according to soviet science, this is from ukrainian, how is it, how is it to be done because science has no nationality, well, no science can have one. Well, maybe there are claims against humanitarians. If its not science, but Something Like that. But if its science, then what can be the claims . Well, we cant cancel newtons uh whats the difference who was he under . I understand that the french revolution does not need mathematics, but even less so, we are already living in another century , but what was the brightest figure of ukrainian soviet science for almost several decades in a row, neither paton, academician korolyov, nor academician lysenko, i mean from the point of view from the point of view of the officials, the main character is no no no well how come no well yes if we now move to the 60s with you we will go to shevchenko boulevard we will ask any person which scientist she knows paton anyway you are not sweat not lysenko in the 1960s already paton definitely paton i thought it was just possible glushko maybe korolev maybe amosov from the point of view of an objective new contribution and im talking about a myth and about a myth anyway paton well paton it was paton maybe because the moh was always paton no one took it apart, you see, son. Yes, no one paton, um, maybe this is because of this, uh, not because he tried to be the president of the electric welding academy, its definitely a scientific discipline, but im just asking, its also a good question, i dont know if it is a scientific discipline but it is at least what made it possible to create that what didnt happen before, i mean not even space , i mean the welding of a person, well, the vessels and the rest, they did it. Its true. This is a social science. Well, we are not bad about it, but it is definitely an applied science, and maybe not a fundamental one, but it is a separate science or not. It is difficult to say whether it is a branch or not a branch, but i want to understand two things in the soviet union of the academy of Sciences Ukraine indeed functioned or was it a conditional institution functioned that is, it was a fundamental science not only it to a greater extent by the way it was applied rather than fundamental at least if we talk about economics it is difficult for me to talk about those fools well i am not like that economics was definitely to a greater extent applied but but in fact a lot was done very they helped a lot, helped the authorities by creating not that there was a scientific basis, but by creating a program of actions that was scientifically based, not what was carried out, what they did, but what it had to be done for geographical reasons , for demographic reasons, for financial reasons, that is, they tried to balance it all in such a way that it was normal and , by the way , they contributed to the crimea. Less and argued with maybe thanks to paton maybe not but i cant say i cant separate the influence of paton and the influence of the academy itself you understand that everything was associated but paton could say no to anyone the story of skeltysh, in particular, is an example. What happened in the postsoviet era, but now with the academy of sciences, does it exist, too . And this is the problem. The Ukrainian Academy of sciences does not work so efficiently. How is the german, french, american, etc. . Sciences well, lets say anglosaxon, where is science in universities . Well, in our country, it has never been in universities, in order for it to transfer to a university, it is necessary to remove at least half of their workload from teachers, at least i am not convinced that this will give results, but at least it should be done with their workload, they cannot work even on research , it is necessary to plan the educational process in a different way, at least for masters, if not to touch bachelors, well, and so on, and we just start copying well, unfortunately, but you have keep in mind that in western universities there is already a separate scientific activity, a separate teacher in both directions. And by the way , a production passport, so to speak. Yes, but there is not only an antisaxon system, there is a german one. I apologize there, i am an analogue of the academy of sciences, absolutely the society of max plank. Well, here it is 100 and the analogue is the polish academy of science as we have. Well, there are different options. And we start, we grab something and start to form it. Unfortunately, i can just see, even at my institute, we pray , we lose our desire to study in graduate school, yes, but then they go, they dont stay alone. They get knowledge. They get a degree. They go there in business. Why would a person use me . Not so much. Why would a person use it . On the Business Card it is written phd or candidate of sciences, then it helps the authority adds well, and then i think that i can, it is also related to the fact that people simply do not find the opportunity to live on this scientific activity no, it is definitely because of this that they leave but simply that we teach them we are trying to teach and then it is not implemented where it should be implemented. Well, by the way, it is very important to understand how this has affected the last 1718 months, because a lot of people, well, at least women. This is how i thought about my scientific careers in the west we couldnt hope for these careers, completely unexpected prospects have opened up now, we dont think about it, but its a fact well, i have several coworkers , to be honest, not the worst, far from the worst, ill show you not abroad yet and im afraid that they wont return in their specialty so that it cost who is a specialist, who is not, who is still waiting for employment , but what to do with this lost resource, this is also a very important point, because we are talking about the lost resource from the point of view of the population, we often talk about numbers, but we can talk about the quality of the percentage of our women who are abroad, these are the data of the germans and the data of the poles are not mine, they have a higher education, and you understand that they went abroad with their children. They are not the weakest, i am told that those who have gone here all their lives have been behind their husbands, fathers, and so on. This is not true. Who was behind them . They didnt go, they were afraid because there is no back there. And thats why we can lose a lot. Well, im very afraid that after the victory, after the lifting of martial law, family reunification will take place, but not in ukraine. There are risks and that the war will last longer. The more infrastructure and production, housing, and Everything Else will be destroyed , the greater the probability that this will happen is a very important point, which we are already beginning to talk about cautiously, they are talking about it in the west that the first months of the war after the great attack, we did not, i would say that even for a certain period from the 14th to the 20th of the second year, we forced russia to act according to our own scenario, well, lets say a quick change of power, and yes, the occupation of a large number of territories we disrupted all this, first of all, we kept russia from war for a l