Somehow. To express themselves in a male team , it is meant, well, although there are, there are problems there, even at the level of the military, well, problems are starting in the sense that, again, they do not really want to take women into the army, that is, if a woman has already entered, then then, there it manifests itself, and if it is not so difficult, it seems to me that it is more difficult even just to get into the armory forces, because women go to the army and are not accepted there, well, for example, such situations. I have an acquaintance there who has an education and is an officer, but she is also not taken anywhere for combat , because the priority there is officers and men, and because she also has such an education, on the contrary, it would seem that it should be easier for her to move in this direction, but it turns out that on the contrary, well, if she was just an ordinary soldier, then it would be even easier for her to get into the war, well, but in general, the situation now is much better than it was then in the 14th and 15th years, in ago including at the expense of our womens veterans movement, there we engage in advocacy on various issues there and solving various problems and what concerns women in the army, there are combat positions, there are all these issues, if in principle, our movement raised and solved to a certain extent , well, the diligent now also seems to be a plus, well, it seems to me of some kind, well, basically, i dont know people who would not respect him, there, i dont want to introduce you to some ideals, but in principle he too quite progressive views, and somehow also regarding women, questions regarding women there womens form, others, they are somehow gradually resolved, i think that it should, especially in a country like ours, well, we have such a war, no one has seen such a war anywhere in the world, because it did not exist, and now there is already thinking about whether it is a woman or a man, if this person is ready to go to defend the state, then what is the difference really, now, well, in fact, the people who are fighting, they are fighting at the beginning of a fullscale invasion, and for now , there is no one to replace them, well, no one really wants to go there, and because as i understand it, yes, there is such a desire, then when a war began, well, a fullscale invasion, i mean, not a war, then the people who can, wanted and can go to war, they left, well, now, i dont know how this issue will be resolved, because it, well will continue for some time, and will there be enough people who are already at the front, well, i dont know, in the ranks of the armed forces of ukraine. About 43,000 women are serving, the war has been going on since 2014, at the same time, the question of womens military uniforms, at the time of a fullscale invasion, has been decided was not, how did you cope with it . I dont know, i sewed something there, ordered something, bought something, well, basically, in general, before the start of the fullscale invasion, i fought only in volunteer units, and in fact i was not affected by the provision of the armed forces of ukraine, since we were there, as volunteers, they bought everything for themselves, found everything and obtained everything, i already went to serve in the zsu after the start of the great war, and so the issue with the uniform is not yet settled, it is still being resolved, well, the approved uniform should be felt, i understand that it should appear soon, well, it is there, and there are some. There are some questions that concern women there and there, if we take medicine there, yes, there are some, it is also adjusted mainly for men, and the army, in principle , is made for men, well, its all the same, its all changing now and taking into account, again , the we have a war going on and that one way or another many will have to join the ranks of defenders, and i think women will also fill our ranks of the armed forces of ukraine, so yes, that is why i think these questions you cant imagine that they are somehow more relevant than now, they must be decided so that every serviceman, regardless of gender, feels comfortable and can fight. And what other issues of women in the army have not yet been resolved . In principle, from the very beginning, everything was done in the army for men, and now it is simply necessary to develop some things, as it were, so that they are created for women as well, because after all, there is a difference, well, everyone should serve equally and everyone should get conditions, well there is some comfort there for slu. Did, the veteran woman movement, what does it do, please tell me in more detail, well, looking at what period of time, it was created a long time ago, and the issues of women in the army as well, that is, they increased the number of combat positions there, because it used to be very often there, it seems like a seamstress, there is a sniper somewhere, you know, and all these things, they were solved with. The course of a fullscale invasion, we began to deal more with supplies, well, as such, the issues took a back seat, more, well, supplies, that is, we provided and continue to provide the armed forces of ukraine there with cars and thermal imagers, and there with bulletproof vests, helmets, everything you can imagine related to war, what drones can do there, including we have our own workshop at the headquarters, where we sew womens military uniforms as well , well, besides that, there are also different ones there, masks and robes, there, well, different such things are also related to the war, plus dronarnia works here, a laboratory where processing is done there, well roughly speaking there at you can hang a drone there, a thermal imaging device there so that you can fly there at night, and we also make our own drones , well, its not us ourselves, but Maksym Sheremet joined us there, he is the developer of all those drones, and well, a female one veterans movement, is now more engaged in, well, precisely. Supply, this, i think, is the main direction of our work. Tata kepler was at our interview, she told my colleagues that the ukrainian state is currently unable to meet all the needs of the front in general, and the presence of the military there, and her, the foundation, birds, it closes medical needs, your movement, it closes needs. Including womens uniform, other needs, ugh, and such a question, why do you think, all these years , the ukrainian state turned a blind eye to the needs of women in the army, well, i think that after all, some progress is already taking place, i think, well, its as you said yourself, there are stereotypes, some already imposed opinions, well , you know, somehow stereotypes that go there, well, roughly speaking, men have it there, well, not only in their heads, its there since childhood, its there , how do you know it all, perception and even that that we have started a war, well , it all changes in peoples minds not particularly quickly, but it does change, and regarding the fact that the state cannot provide, well, it is also clear here, if only. And even this, i also always say, there, when they tell me there, oh there, why there, the state has to give it, everything has to be given by the state, and you are helping there, well, if we dont. Help, then, if everyone is like that, there will be such an opinion that only the state should give everything, and you owe nothing to anyone, then in principle the state can disappear by itself for myself, well, thats why its difficult now, of course thats all, but everyone must try to bring some benefit, here in the ranks of the zsu there are people with completely different worldviews, well, about your worldview, we understand how it was built, we already talked about it , but there are also those who until february 24 did not consider russia to be an aggressor of ukraine, there are also those who considered it a normal neighbor, there are those who in general, what a difference, and nevertheless they all accepted, on february 24, after february 24 weapons in hand, go to fight, as you are lined up relations with such siblings and possessions. I dont know, basically all of my brothers and sisters are my brothers and sisters, they are somehow like that so that, what is the difference or something, i dont remember such people, well, in my circle of communication, and well, basically anyway, you are talking, maybe there and there is some, some percentage of people in the armed forces who got there by mobilization and did not particularly want all this there, but the majority, the majority went those who went of their own free will, as you say on the 24th there, yes, then its not from that category, whats the difference, no, well, really there are no such and such people among my people, among the people who surround me, so i ca nt say anything, there are on. For example , someone who continues to listen to russian music there or something else, there is nothing to me, well no i cant fully understand it, but i still try to react to such things more or less nonaggressively, if you start a conversation about the russian language, now a lot of people tolerate such a moment that you are ukrainizing me . And the boys in okop also communicate in russian, but you are already in the military for almost 10 years, how do you feel about it, i dont know, my partner was alaska , she is now, although we used to Work Together in another unit, she is russianspeaking and very fundamentally did not want to switch to the ukrainian language, then she already started there to speak ukrainian, but something doesnt work out for her, she returned to russian, but its still a certain process there, that is. Well, well, if she already wants to transfer, thats already a plus, because even a year ago she didnt want to do it, and there in the trenches, well, in fact, there really are there are many people who speak russian, there are among the military servicemen, many speak russian, it is really true, as i see, this process is happening, people still try to switch and speak ukrainian, and if well and plus, its like if manipulation, you know, talking about those there, who is there, here he is sitting in akop, speaking russian, why cant i speak russian, well, why arent you in okop then, also, go speak russian in okop too, nobody wont tell you anything, just me why i know by heart that language is like a certain element of recognition, where it is my own, where it is someone elses. I just know situations where russians ran into our trenches speaking russian, because they thought it was their trenches and so on, and so on, and its just kind of strange to think that they can sit in a trench and speak russian , for what . In order to lure russians to you . I dont know, well, its just that if people constantly communicate in this language, then even when they go to the trenches, they also continue to communicate in russian, well, they dont. They dont come, they dont start speaking on purpose in ukrainian, because they came to the trench , well, no, it doesnt happen like that, but they communicate, yes, there are all sorts of different stories , well, thats why they say there, well, even there, if you got lost somewhere and so on, there, then its better to start speaking ukrainian there, well, but thats all, well, there was the situation of my friend, he got lost and got in general, he was between us and the russians, or how to call them correctly, i dont know, and when he was fired on from two sides, and from this parties because they thought it was dill. And from ours, because on the contrary, they thought that the enemy was going there, and as a result, when he did reach the trench, everyone there spoke russian, well, it was our guys, well, he also spoke russian, but he also could not believe for a long time that its ours, there , they took the machine gun from him, then he started threatening with grenades, as a result, they threw him out of the trench, because they said, god, youre free, well, like, go, get out of here. They threw him into the street, and there they fired at him with a tank, from a tank, well, in short, he was not very happy that he behaved like that, well, he really says, i could not to understand, it is ours or not ours, and he was afraid to the last, but you are already, well, our boys , yes, they did not tolerate him anymore and threw him out and buried him, go there, look for yourself some other place where, where you can hide , well, they are, yes, maybe, if they immediately met him in ukrainian, despite the fact that he himself speaks russian, then maybe he would not have behaved like that, he would have behaved somehow differently, that is yes, you had a moment when you came back from military life, returned to civilian life, began to do design, how was your adaptation to peaceful civilian life, oh, it was difficult to adapt, that is , i was also treated by psychotherapists and then i began to be treated by a psychiatrist, well, i was prescribed antidepressants and all that, it was quite difficult to adapt, and i think that this time it will be difficult too, although at the first period it seemed that it was most likely, well, as i thought, i was already like this once if i had passed the way, probably the second time will be easier, but now i have come anyway in kyiv is literally there for a couple of days, uh, and i feel like im in a war, well, in some place, there are some sounds, some kind of expectation of something, and then at some point you realize that you, not there, that you are in kyiv, well, there are some psychological ones, well, ptsd, yes, there are all these things, well , i think, i will come back, well, i will, at least i am quite responsible, i take responsibility for my mental health, already. The boys and girls are now returning from the front and undergoing adaptation, after our victory, they will return hundreds of thousands of boys and girls from the front, in your opinion, how should our society change, all of us, each of us in order for their adaptation to take place comfortably and most importantly safely, we will face the fact that there will be many people there, with disabilities, with lost limbs, i think that it will be necessary to learn, communicate with such people and not Pay Attention to it, well, on the contrary, not pay too much attention to all this, but at the same time somehow be able to combine the fact that to show respect to the person, but and why not Pay Attention in such a way that it does not stick a person in the context that here he is disabled or not like that, well, these are all complex processes, i think that here. Here we will need real help, specialists, there, psychiatrists, not only those who returns from the war, and those who are here and those who will meet those who return, because these people also need some understanding, so that we try as much as possible to avoid conflict situations, which will still happen one way or another, because even when victory comes, i dont know what it looked like there, and when it will be, uh, there will be problems with those, there will really be problems with those who will return from the front, and especially there, uh, well, i dont know, there , when the boys will arrive there, well , the girls and boys will understand that how much was really and there are still people who didnt care at all, not even looking at the fact that a fullscale invasion was taking place, this was when that war was still going on. Er, that stage there was the ato, there, what was it all called, er, we felt like we were some, er, crazy people or something, uh here you come there and you say, well, the war, everyone is like that, what a war, well, there is no war, for many people, war did not exist, and what was happening in donbas, it was not a war for them, and now if, in most after all, there is an understanding, as it has already touched a very large number of people throughout ukraine , you can say, well, there is everything. Well , people remain, regardless of the fact that they even know that there is a war, they do nothing, they believe that they owe nothing to anyone, it is the states fault to do everything, and it will be and it was even for me already, even now for the current period, when they said that we did not send her there, well, in this way, this is also, of course, a problem, and it will remain, there will be some, conflicts, there will be some things that will be necessary, it seems to me that there should be some kind of Integration Program for the same veterans , an Integration Program there, so that, well, it should be at the level, it seems to me, that the president is there, er, to be resolved all these questions, so that people can come back and so that so that those who live here are also ready to meet them, because just like that, well, it is even more important than the restoration of the infrastructure. Given your military experience, one can assume that war is still a horror to you anyway, and given all that you ve already seen in this war, that youve already been through, that gives you. Sense to move on and continue to defend us all . I dont know, its a very difficult question, because sometimes it seems that nothing makes any sense anymore, well, but somehow so far, for now, there are forces, some remain, sometimes various factors play a role , some, well, i didnt have the desire there, for example, there was a very difficult period. I didnt want to do anything, but then somehow our camp changed there , there were some changes in terms of work, well, some progress was made, that is, development there within the battalion, we began to engage more actively in the training of soldiers, and the command contributes to this, that is, and you see some results corresponding to this, well, positive. Somehow work now, well, when there are some opportunities and Mutual Understanding with command, then, well, now is such a period that i, on the contrary, like what i do, well, there are different moments there, but right now i am in such a moment , you can say, such a moment when i get to do quite a lot and see the results of my work. And this is exactly what allows me to move, it gives, yes, it gives me some extra strength, i dont know how much i have enough this time, well, at times i somehow understood that we are all human, sometimes i dont want to do anything at all, lie down and to do nothing, but who you see yourself to be after our victory, you will remain in army, will you be engaged in design further, i will engage in design. What, i wouldnt even go to the army, well, just, well, how can i say, now with such a war, there was, well, there was no possibility to bypass the armed forces of ukraine, if at that time it was possible to fight somewhere in volunteer units and no, not to go directly to officially serve in the army, then there was no other option, well, in principle , again, i like it at the moment, but there are nuances, and thats whats difficult, theres also the vacation, theres the other with some there is freedom there because when i was still in the hospitals there or when i was in davincha, it wasnt that it was a favorite moment, well, you could always agree there to go somewhere there to rest, in the armed forces it is more difficult , but there it is already such a structure and the more you you take responsibility, well, they give you some kind of work there, accordingly you t