M. Us, i think , it will still be possible to overcome this systemic corruption, but taking into account those that society will also understand that corruption is a reverse process , those who take and those who give, absolutely, so we will, i think, somehow we need to rethink this issue in society itself, that we wont give, they wont take either, maybe thats why i think we will go through this process anyway, we will be an expert on International Issues and oleksandr levchenko, a diplomat, the extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine in the republic of croatia, gentlemen, we congratulate you, congratulations, and lets take the first question, for sure, mr. Oleksandr, lets go to you, according to your feelings, there is a consensus in the eu regarding the start of negotiations on the membership of ukraine, feelings, how . Well, i would like it to be, we have an official budapest, hungary, which, who knows, how it will behave, it seems to be against ukraines membership in nato, the European Union, it seems to have a more calm position there, well, meanwhile, in the last at the moment it is not possible to rule out some kind of blocking of this issue, but i think that this will not happen after all, i expect. The end of october, so to speak, the decision of the europeans, respectively, regarding how ukraine fulfilled these seven recommendations of the europeans, and so to speak, we hope that the assessment will be positive, in any case, Prime Minister shmigal believes that ukraine has provided sufficient, systematic and explanatory. Answers to our partners who they should be satisfied by the studio, ugh, mr. Bohdan, the same question to you, your feelings, what your observations say, is there really some common denominator, reached him inside the eu. I believe that it is really necessary to wait for the interim, although this will already be the final assessment of ours european partners, i think it will be positively balanced. Unequivocally, because we have really done a serious piece of work, and in the directions that were voiced there verbally in the summer, we have finalized a lot, indeed there about National Minorities on bylaws, the focus will be directed and certain actions are already being developed there, the higher the qualification commission, the Higher Council of justice, i. E. , we also feel progress with the legislation, and you know what makes me feel positive, lets say, that for european politicians, it is also important to enter the preelection races on an optimistic note, namely in 2024 there will be elections to the European Parliament, so in principle , this mood, lets say, which is really felt, especially in the European Parliament, it has always been quite progressive, open, i think also for mrs. Ursola in the european commission, will be a good, you know, final stage, it is to open negotiations with ukraine and, in principle, to move in this direction quite quite dynamically. Therefore , my assessment is quite optimistic, although indeed i agree that there may be some surprises, and now as we are observing it is not only possible with hungary, because the elections in slovakia have come, there will be a coalition there now , yes, there are certain risks, again in the context of issues that concern ukraine. Lets talk, by the word of mrs. Lyudmila, you see now a real political will regarding ukraines accession to the European Union, we understand, for example, about joining the alliance, the north atlantic. They regularly say that it should definitely be postponed until after the war, integration and joining the European Union can happen during fullscale hostilities, well, i think that we will integrate during fullscale hostilities. , what i want to note is, look, in the summer, when we were given a candidate in june, but in the eu members, literally in a few weeks, there were conversations among all european politicians, and there some said, well, 50 to 50, what will they give you there, or even 80 to 20, even some of our friends there, politicians they said, no, only 20 will be given, but it happened, yes, so here, we will still be optimistic that it will also happen, that negotiations will really begin, because, you know, earlier, when we started these all the processes, even i say that from the fourth year, then if we asked, here we are, take it. Take us, and europe, we have had such a constant process, we want to you, and you are us, we want to europe, we want europe, and you need to carry out such reforms there, but now we must understand that the situation is different, this is the entry into europe, this is not the entry of the European Union in the 20th century, this is completely different, well, you have a representative, an ambassador from croatia, because by the way, croatia is the last to enter the eu in the 13th year, in principle, it is from 13 of the year, the eu did not pass anything from there, therefore, and even if we also take into account the latest statements that the Eu Enlargement commissioner said just a few days ago, he also said that in a few weeks they will present a new approach to the expansion of the European Union union, lets see what kind of approach it will be, and even expanded the funding to the candidate countries, so that they can more easily pass the path of this integration , which is access, first of all, to their own market, to the eu, therefore , taking into account all the messages that sound from the European Union, yes, indeed, there is a problem with hungary, but we have diplomacy , which ours works very well, we see how it goes, because these are eu countries after all, they are in this family, and in the eu there are enough regulators for their countries, for their members who are there, so after all, i will build that we will pass this way, yes, as they say, maybe there will be somewhere some nuances, but still we will get positive conclusions, and this path will be even faster, because than other countries, because also. I will state that this is the 21st century, these are completely different conditions, and ukraine really, this the only country that joins the eu under different conditions, it joins under conditions of war, so the eu also needs ukraine now, because it is a kind of driver of the eu that forces it to make reforms, because whenever we hear that the eu a new approach to expansion is being worked out, but it sounds, we are now watching how things are going literally yesterday, yes, the defense was announced about all this, and there are the countries of the European Union in this alliance, that is, ukraine really, as the president says, can become such a defense, the hub of all this, therefore , taking into account, they say, many such nuances, everything after all, the eu is just as interested in us as we are in them, a beautiful thesis for a word, let s talk about the terms, if you dont mind, here is a literally fresh statement from the new representative of the European Union in ukraine, from kateryna materynova, katarina. Maternovy, provided the current pace of reforms is maintained, ukraine can join the European Union in 2030, as this is a realistic term, exactly what mrs. Kateryna said. Mr. Oleksandr, for you, this date, whether it scares or reassures , we can hope that, for example, the introduction will happen sooner, or 2030 is a completely realistic deadline, of course, we would like the sooner. I wish it was earlier, at the last summit, there are the western balkans, with the participation of the president of ukraine, er , 2030 was announced as the date for the integration of all the western balkans of ukraine ee into the European Union, that is, this is the extreme point, you see, the new ambassador of us placed at the extreme point, although he said that it is optimistic, but we are at the extreme point. In the western balkans, six countries, there alone, north macedonia, montenegro have made very serious progress, followed by serbia, albania, and kosovo and bosnia and herzegovina are far behind, that is, kosovo and bosnia and herzegovina, which have not yet started negotiations, so they are supposed to join in the 30th year, and here we say that we will start after all. Talk, the newly arrived ambassador tells us, and you are in your 30th year, so i dont really like her position, to be honest, that it puts us at the extreme point, at least with this. hand , where serbia and albania are closer to them , so to speak, and this is realistic, at least in the 29th , at least in the 29th well, the federal chancellor of germany also said that not earlier than the 29th, well , lets give it the 29th, although the 30th is the bar that has already been set, the final bar of the fact that everyone is already lagging behind. Should enter there as full members, mr. Oleksandr, you mentioned that croatia, where you were the extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine, exactly, its the year 2013 , if im not mistaken, when you actually, actually, were in the term of office as an ambassador, how long did it take in croatia, the whole, the whole way from submitting an application to joining. Well, there for eight years, i think thats all, it didnt happen, unlike the previous expansions, which went in waves alone, and its more difficult, in principle, for one country to go, ukraine, so we are together with the western balkans, and probably moldova in this process, thats why its a little bit organized, its kind of easier, its like, uh, it will depend from how we will close these negotiating, negotiating chapters, it was very confusing in croatia that in the 12th year they had no idea whether they would clean up at all or not, then, somewhere the process went, some kind of quick decisionmaking and and they were accepted as such, i emphasize, until the last moment there are always some countries criticizing and so on , you know that even one vote can block the entry of your country, it went alone, and it was more difficult for it, given the fact that on its own we are carrying this terrible war on our shoulders, i think the process will be a bit slow here organizationally simpler, i hope that our negotiating team will be professional, and the most important thing is how the ministry will cope with the tasks that will be in the directions, there is the economy, the legal system, political reforms, and of course, these are all law enforcement, what you they mentioned there, the fight against corruption and so on, studio, mr. Bohdan, we can also ask you, your opinion about the year 2030, as the date of possible probable accession of ukraine to the eu, at least, according to the opinion of the new Eu Ambassador to ukraine, panikaterina motarnova , for you 2030 is very far or not or is it close . Well, you know, i am very, lets say, realistic about this process, because it is not idle, only after we open negotiations, really, and here i absolutely almost never give estimates in terms of time, there in years , and i explain why, because ukraines accession to full membership will be facilitated by two key factors, even. That is, yes, it is a war, the context of the russianukrainian war, its end, the second factor is our internal changes, unequivocally, regardless of that, we see that our western partners, the european ones, they are also quite picky now and quite pointedly set certain tasks for us, and here we need to understand that we also internally feel that this is also within the framework of our transformation of the country, towards the democratization of an even greater, yes, to institutional capacity. To issues related to the social, economic component, and the third key factor is how the configuration will take place, what will be the mood inside the European Union, because as shown by the experience and practice of enlargement of these stages that took place there in the 90s and 2000s, in principle, they were more favorable in a geopolitical way, i will say so. Now it has become more complicated, so here, i think we have to do our own thing, despite sometimes assessments, statements, statements are not always really super optimistic in the context of the terms, now i would watch, i also analyzed what the key candidates from of political families running for office in the European Parliament elections, there are already certain such statements. They are also, lets say, somewhere close to of the 30th year, so here the process may take a little longer than we would like, and we remember, for example, for the same poland, that is , it went through the negotiation process for 10 years, also not a very short period of time, but it helped poland will really then use its membership as effectively as possible to change the country itself, for financial revenues, to reform the institutions there, to fight the same corruption, so i actually hope that we, i believe, taking into account the priority, yes, we will do as much as possible from us it depends on working with the capitals of the eu member states, not only with the european institutions and bureaucrats, yes, who represent these european institutions, but with the capitals and politicians, Political Forces that form certain governments, because their decision, their mood, lets say so, yes, and a lot will depend on the willingness to change eu policy to such a more open expansion. Ugh, and here, ms. Lyudmila, i would like to talk about such issues that may become, well, lets not get in the way, but which may be sensitive in the matter of ukraines accession to of the European Union, we see what the situation is, for example, with the ukrainian harvest in poland, and how real, lets say, is the accession of ukraine a threat to certain countries that already have certain roles in the European Union, lets say so, well eh, he understands, we understand well that every european country thinks about its own, about its internal politics, about its economy, and it really looks at ukraine with some kind of prewar, because we are, after all, a big country, we have a great nation, that is, us, even where we have people who left, ukrainians, but this after all, it doesnt matter, we are a very big country for the European Union, but thats why the European Union will work now. Er, lets say this, how ukraine will join the European Union, and even the statements of european politicians about this sound now, that we well understand that ukraine is a big country, that this has never happened before, that the country was joining on such a scale, and plus, we take into account the fact that we are the only postsoviet country , which is now entering the European Union with all its baggage, but they are now, that is, we are making reforms, but also the European Union for what it does. Their internal reforms, regarding the entry of a country like us, and i believe that taking into account all this, therefore, the development of these reforms that will be in the European Union, the countries will not need to worry much about how we will be, yes, they are worried for its internal economy, but i think that certain regulators will be set up, certain markers will be set up so that ukraine is not so concerned about this issue, so even , look, here is polands statement, the last one, yes, this is what they are declaring, yes, it is clear , we have some there are questions about our grain, but with regard to the European Union, thats how they sound, some of them, we still dont like it, but the main position of poland remains unequivocal, yes, ukraine is part of europe, ukraine will be in the European Union, they will to support it, so we will really see how it will be in the future, but i think that if europe. Already makes such statements that it will reform its legislation, so before worrying about those countries that will be against something, we will do our best, yes, and we have our myth, which in principle works very well, our ambassadors, who are now there conveying our position, and it will somehow work out further, so we will somehow add it as it will be, lets talk about what actually wins is the world of introduction e ukraine to him, well, what will ukraine win, on the other hand, we hope it will definitely not lose, mr. Oleksandr, what will the eu, ukraine win, well, to a certain extent, i agree, the question is that it will be a crucible in how this war will end, you understand, of course, that if we win confidently. Then these negotiations can go much differently, because it will all be raised and so on, ukraine was still able to stand up and fully defend its territorial sovereignty and so on, it is going quite quickly, here is the other thing, well colleagues, i want to say that it is necessary to understand that the negotiations are being conducted with by eurobureaucrats, not with the countries, but already at the end , when the results are being drawn up, then no one from the countries is included in the negotiating chapters, since you have already joined, you have already been admitted to these negotiations, you negotiate, thats it. There are no questions and delays and so on, they did it, well, they didnt, lets do it a little later , and yes, the process is going on, the question has been raised about whether there is an added cost of ukraines accession to the European Union, so we are winning, this added cost is huge, although it is more of a military and political nature, not economically, but the European Union estimates that it is actually on the territory of ukraine. The war was started based on European Values , that is, moscow does not accept them at all and so on, in fact with these values, it seems to be fighting against the ukrainian people, in fact, against against europe and so on, as they say, that is, it all means that we have defended these values, we share them, and we know how to defend them, so this is a huge added value, a huge added value. And this will definitely be taken into account, even this factor can already cover many, many other things , ugh, well, it is c