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ESPRESO July 3, 2024

In ukraine, yes, no, or your option, please write in the comments under this video , or write in general your opinion about what you observed today in the Verkhovna Rada of ukraine, and in general, how you feel about the activities of the branch of the Russian Orthodox Church Churches in ukraine. We are in touch with peoples deputy of ukraine, mykola knyazh. Mr. Mykola, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air. Congratulations to each other. So, today the Verkhovna Rada of ukraine supported in the First Reading the draft law on banning activities in ukraine of religious organizations connected with russia, which can stop the activity of the ukrainian Orthodox Church of the moscow patriarchate. You were the author of the draft law numbered 8221. But the Verkhovna Rada of ukraine from. Gave preference, or rather, voted for the bill that was being prepared by the government, and the question is quite simple, and i hope you will explain to all tv viewers how your bill differed from the governments and why your bill was not put to a vote at all, well, first of all, the governments draft accepted only in the First Reading and by us it will have to be revised quite seriously before the second reading, secondly, all factions of the Verkhovna Rada insisted that other projects were put to the vote, in particular the one where i am a coauthor of 82 21, but two factions spoke, not two factions, but two groups and one faction spoke against it, these are two groups that were created from the deputies of the former opzh party and the servant of the people faction, they supported only the presentation of the government project. The government project, it does not prohibit at all in. Tsmp, it says that it is necessary to prohibit the activities of religious organizations with centers in the country of the aggressor, but it involves a very complicated procedure. First, a religious examination must be conducted on each religious organization, and there are over 10,000 of them in the uocp. After the religious examination is done, uh, that organization can sue, and the court must then order a forensic examination, and the problem is due to the fact that we do not have courtcertified experts who would be rally experts in the country, and there are no methods that should be, already at this stage, this may be blocked prohibition, even if such connections with the center in the country of the aggressor exist, but if it is not blocked, after that, the state service for issues of ethnopolitics and freedom of conscience must issue a prescription, this prescription is a document that does not have any obligation mandatory, execution in accordance with the current law. It is just a piece of paper that informs this or that religious organization, this prescription and its extract can also be challenged in court. If its not appealed, then after that the state can sue and this court will hear it, well i dont even know how many, different options are possible, for example, the communist party was banned for 8 years, and it was only one organization, not 10,000 organizations, filed, a decision was made about their liquidation in the 14th year, they tried, and this court dragged on until 2022, and only in the 22nd year, already after a fullscale invasion, the communist party was finally banned. Such in this way, we will try to correct these norms of the project in the amendments to the second reading, i do not know if we will succeed, but it will be very difficult to do, because now it is not for nothing that this project is a government project, when the chairman of the Verkhovna Rada met with representatives of the allukrainian council of church and religious organizations, even the representative of the uocp supported it. Well, that is, that is, this bill that has just been passed, it delays the procedure or makes it impossible to ban the activity as such a branch of the rp, it will simply be a ban on each parish, relatively speaking, and it can last there for decades, right . 50, 100 years, i dont know how long it can last, uh, sure, its, its, its, well, actually its, not a ban, but an imitation bans, for patriotic speeches, for everyone to applaud and praise themselves, and at the same time it is a positive step because it basically opens the door and shows the political will of the parliament to move in this direction, so from this point of view. Even revolutionary, but it will not have a result. Perhaps we will be able to achieve a result if, together with our colleagues, we manage to conduct and submit amendments that will make it more effective, although the very approach to the formation of this project is flawed from the very beginning, because it is not the court that should to ban religious organizations, and the state must show its will, and that is why our project 8221 provides exactly that, that according to the convention on human rights, according to the decision of the European Court of human rights, this organization, if it supports all their organizations, if they maintain relations with, centers in moscow, in fact with the Russian Orthodox church, then they should be banned, if they break these relations with the Russian Orthodox church, they can work, that is, the bill itself is not directed against one or another denomination in to ukraine, it is aimed precisely at severing and terminating these relations with the Russian Orthodox church. This is the most important thing. And besides, our project determines the fate of the property, because if these relations are not terminated, the property will be confiscated , lease agreements will be terminated, it will be transferred to the state, in this government project, there is not a single word about property, but you see that in the lavra, the kievpechersk one takes place, this is an imitation, because it is partial, at least, because these moscow priests were partly expelled from there, but in several premises of the lavra, they stayed and continue to work there, they should have been issued some kind of summons, and then the sbu could go there, but no one wants to issue these summons, in a word, this whole process is being sabotaged, i am not talking about the Pochaiv Lavra and other ukrainian laurels, and our law also regulates this issue, the Government Law does not regulate it at all, therefore the Government Law is imperfect to say the least, in fact weak, and in this form it will only strengthen the roc in ukraine, because they will shout about persecution, submit to international organizations, shout it at the international level, but nothing will happen in ukraine. Everyone will be waiting for 10,000 trials, which should take place there five or six more times, and i would like, of course, somehow to do it more efficiently. Today , yuriy boyko, former leader of the opzh faction, and Yevgeny Shevchenko actively opposed the government draft law, lets listen to what they said, article 35 of the constitution, it separates. Church and state religious organizations from the state, if someone wants to accept, first change the constitution, and then only move to the law the ukrainian Orthodox Church is historically kyivan, the church of the kyivan rus, we are the descendants of the kyivan rus, great ukraine, this is what happened, this is history, at the ukrainian Orthodox Church cathedral on the 22nd of the 22nd year, a decision was made that condemned cyril, separated from muscovy, and now it is declared independent, so it is a lie what he is saying here, this is the first thing about traitors, we have more traitors in the sbu, in the police than in the oc, so now, it is necessary to ban the sbu and the church, well, he could continue and to say that there are no traitors in the Verkhovna Rada less than you, the sbu and the ministry of internal affairs, well, in this case we are talking about boyko and shevchenko, and not only about dmytrouk, about many people s deputies who were once part of the opzh faction, a party that is already banned in ukraine, but they sit in the Verkhovna Rada of ukraine. How, in the conditions when this fifth column is preserved in the Verkhovna Rada and continues to work and continues to vote or not vote for laws, how to make decisions in such a situation and in what way to limit the right to vote for such peoples deputies from a party that no longer exists, but they sit in the Verkhovna Rada, well look, i think that despite the fact that they are sitting there and it is a shame, they do not influence anything, but in this case it was the will of the president that this bill be adopted in the First Reading, this is what the deputies from the progovernment sluga faction told us the people, as long as there is the will of the president , there are votes and everything goes smoothly, and i believe that the president will listen and give the order to vote for the improved bill so that it is effective, and will also be convinced that on. Bill 8221 that truly fits all International Norms and essentially bans the activities of this church very quickly and returns their property to the state, so the president will also be convinced that this should be done, especially since we have already seen information today from the Security Service of ukraine that they are actually creating or from guru that they are creating military units in the Russian Orthodox church, private military companies that will fight in ukraine, it is simply a shame that they continue to. Exist and work in ukraine, and nothing really depends on these traitors, they it just shouldnt be in the council, but if there is the will of the president , then the most decisive and effective laws will be adopted. I will say for our tv viewers that a documentary by mykola knyazhytsy has just been released , called Church Without christ, a beautiful title and meaning about the activities of the Russian Orthodox church in ukraine, we will show a small trailer and you can watch this one. The film is on the Youtube Channel of mykola knyazhytsy, in the description under this video, there will be a link to this film on youtube. Lets watch a small trailer. We have made a decision to hold special military operation. This is just an illustration of a much bigger and more dangerous story, how in 30 years the Russian Orthodox church in ukraine has evolved from agitators of the russian world to terrorists. If it were not for the activities of the Russian Orthodox church, there would be no war. The kievpechersk lavra is the first monastery of the kiev movement, we all believe in our victory and want peace to come after that , we were driven to the church, we were taken out like this , passports were collected, there are snipers on the perimeter, how can we speed up the victory, who interferes with ending the war on our terms and helps to create hostility. To create false illusions. We firmly know that russian peace and Russian Orthodoxy bring us war, death and ruins. Psychological preparation, the russian measure will come and you need to accept it with flowers. They are going to come back here. Few people talk about this out loud, but the roc in ukraine is a huge landowner, the amount of its real estate can be envied by the richest. People, the president and the employees of his office need to hear that ukrainians have lost patience, and that is why my draft law is called ensuring the strengthening of National Security in the sphere of freedom of conscience and the activities of religious organizations, because it is not about religion, but about the security of the state. Im not proposing to ban churches, im asking to ban an organization that is part of the russian state machine, the same as the army, the fsb, and its always been that way. We have all the tools to ban the activities of the Russian Church, including our draft law and the support of society. What is missing is the decision of president Volodymyr Zelenskyi and a majority vote in the parliament. To us it is necessary to put pressure on the authorities so that victory and peace come as quickly as possible. Everything will work out for us. Glory to ukraine. Mykola, you already. They said that, well, today the Security Service of ukraine announced that the Russian Orthodox church in russia is creating its own private military companies, in particular , the private military company Andrews Cross was created in st. Petersburg, which operates on the basis of the kronstadt maritime cathedral in st. Petersburg, in within the walls of a religious institution, its representatives recruit parishioners for further inclusion in the groupings of the Russian Federation, which are involved in the front line, they say. In the sbu, but considering the activities of the Russian Orthodox church in russia and ukraine, why was it not possible to follow the path of adopting a decision of the National Security council. And defense, that this church threatens National Security and defense, and to ban this church, as was once the case with three television channels, viktor medvedchuk, when it was clear that these channels were working for moscow, well, look, it is more difficult to ban a church than channels , because of the freedom of conscience in each Country International organizations are watching very carefully, and it is definitely important for us that the point of view that we want to be members of the European Union is not a matter for the National Security council, the National Security council does not have such powers, but the Verkhovna Rada to adopt a law that will prohibit on this basis , it is certainly possible and necessary, the Verkhovna Rada has such powers, if the Verkhovna Rada does it, it will be great, about the Russian Orthodox church, literally the other day, the patriarch, the socalled patriarch of the Russian Orthodox church kyrylo gundyaev, during a speech at the orthodox festival. Faith and the word spoke about and mass media and how Nuclear Weapons were created in the Russian Federation under the auspices of seraphim of saransky, these are very important, important statements that characterize the Russian Orthodox church, lets see. Smi is, of course, a powerful ammunition kit, which some they use ammunition to achieve their goals, because with a word you can kill a person, with a word you can achieve something that cannot be achieved by any weapon, thats why ivanovich is, i would boldly say, a great russian scientist, he heads the nuclear center, the same one that was created in kurchatov, if it were not for the work of kurchatov, for the sake of ivanovich and their colleagues, brothers, it is difficult to say whether our country would exist, they created weapons under the auspices of the reverend seraphim sorovsky, because according to the ineffable providence of god, this weapon was created in the monastery of saint seraphim. Mr. Mykola , if the government bill is finally adopted in ukraine and this law will come into force, and the Russian Orthodox church will still have 10,000 parishes or thereabouts 9 000 parishes, how does this threaten the future of ukraine . No, if the government bill is adopted with the amendments that we will develop, then in principle it will be more effective, and the government bill itself is not threatened by this, but the inaction of the government threatens, for example, we have already adopted the socalled law on renaming, which says that if the church has its center in russia, is part of the Russian Orthodox church, it should be called the Russian Orthodox church, not the ukrainian Orthodox Church, and the courts have already confirmed that this the bill is constitutional, but it is not implemented, well, it is enough for the heads of the military administrations to implement it, to deregister all these districts until they change their name, as required by law, but they do not do it, in this i see the biggest problem. If this does not happen, then obviously it will be an incentive for putin to continue the war, it will be an opportunity for the clerics of these churches to continue to engage in espionage as a sect, so obviously it will weaken our state and delay the achievement of peace, and we are simply obliged to do it. Obviously, when you were preparing your bill, you studied how ukrainians choose the churches they go to. They baptize children, well, respectively, where is the choice between the ocu and where is the choice between the uoc of the moscow patriarchate, that is, in what way do you think it is possi

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