, representatives of the crimean tatar people, and very often these are people who are connected with religion, this completely refutes the thesis that was emphasized by the court in the hague, the recent decision, that there is no persecution, and there is no persecution and in no way because of origin, not because of religious beliefs or ethnicity, lets say, peresli. Both ukrainians and Crimean Tatars are sulking in crimea solely because of a political position, the court in gaza tells us, and it is very difficult to agree with it. Iskander bariev, head of the Crimean Tatar Resource Center, member of the mejlis of the crimean tatar people, is in touch with us. Eskander, congratulations, glory to ukraine. Good day, glory to the heroes. Salam aleikum. Well , i think the first and obvious question is what, in your opinion, iskender, is connected with such activation, right now with. New persecutions for religious, in fact, for a national sign, the screams of these people try, well, they really ask us not to talk about it, well, there is such a tendency here that when they detain a person at night, they take him away, then promise that if he does not speak out loud about this, then they can let go, thats how they let some people go, and then. Uh, and then it also gives information to others that for the family, for everyone, its more important that a person is free, than in the Pretrial Detention Center or other cities of the nose of liberty, and this is precisely where, as far as we know, they conduct many trials of people who were involved or were involved in local and regional minzhlis, such searches also took place in simferopol. For us to write about it, but we still collect information and record it, although i do not agree with it, i believe that it is necessary to talk about it, it is necessary to talk about it out loud, and most importantly, it is necessary to record and document it, because on unfortunately, unfortunately, the decision of the International Court was just like that, because. That the insufficient Evidence Base, as it says in the decision, the insufficient Evidence Base was presented by the ukrainian side, therefore, here we need to draw conclusions and more often and more clearly document all these violations of human rights that occur on the territory of crimea. Unfortunately, such a trend is currently in crimea. Ugh. We see that not only. Crimeans are currently being detained by russians, specifically crimeans of crimean tatar origin, but also crimean ukrainians, but today there is again information that two citizens who were recruited by the special services of ukraine to carry out terrorist attacks have been detained in crimea, Gauleiter Aksyonov writes about this, he is very thanks fsb officers for effective work, and obviously. Unfortunately , the next, perhaps even Political Prisoners are emerging, or again, this is purely a game of muscles, why is it so important for aksyonov, kostantinov and all this whole bunch to stay on the agenda, to demonstrate their effectiveness, which, well, to be honest, under the big question is the efficiency, perfect, just perfect , yes, well, look, the fact is that initially the fullscale aggression of russia against. Here, just like that, it did not happen before in crimea, when the explosions started appearing there , when the damage began to appear there , they will climb there. To carry out effective , lets say, subversive actions, and this includes the fsb in terms of information, and such leaders as aksionov and konstantinov must constantly inform the residents of crimea how effectively the power structures of the occupation power structures work there and how they find certain people. In fact , it is happening there in this way, well, lets say, the fact that our activists are there is so, the fact that our activists are trying to help us is yes, what our activists are trying to demonstrate as civil resistance, well, when ukrainian flags appear, when inscriptions appear, and when information is provided, how things are going, something is happening, despite all the fact that they are trying to hide. Well, for example, if an air alarm begins for them, then they , and first of all it is in sevastopol, and for the first time, they use such a smoke screen so that it is not possible to photograph or record on video how their air Defense Systems work, and for and here they are trying all this to do, and in addition to the fact that, of course, people do not see all this, well, on the other hand, when we talk about all this, then. Then we need to demonstrate to them that there was an explosion there or something, or something there west, then they alone immediately begin to search among the activists among the representatives, lets say people who were related to the kurult system, interforest, conduct searches, kidnap people, first they. Torture them, and then provide information, and besides, they created such a civil, i would say so, facebook civil movement, ah, how bloggers, and smersh, bloggers try to participate in all events, which, well , lets say, including cultural events, and try to find why there is nothing russian there, or why there is something ukrainian in order to. To start an Information Campaign against these organizers of the events, and on the other hand, when we talk about the smersh, they are the ones who first come to these people who spoke out in support of ukraine or spoke out, well, they honestly said that this is not svo, but war, and they come to them, try to torture them, then they try to get them to publicly, well , apologize, and. Then anyway, the fsb and Occupation Forces open administrative cases and punish them in the form of fines or arrests. Iskander, i would like to ask you to make such a volume of one more, well, it is related, but still, we constantly see, well, almost every week, that new spies are detained. Saboteurs in crimea, and i simply want to know what scale this espionage mania was on the occupied peninsula, who they take , how they torture and force people there there actually sign these suspicions, as they call the occupiers, i dont know what is happening with this particular part of the repressions in crimea, well, first of all, when. We are talking about how they respond to all this, well, first of all i want to say that all of them, for example, are members of the local midjlis, and there were more than 2,500 of them at the beginning of the occupation, they are on their pencils, and they are directly on the pencil, and they directly, well, in direct texts say that you are all with us in pencil, and when we need you, we will be there for you to come and you. To conduct searches, this is firstly, secondly, further, all these people who are trying, lets say, something there, including using social networks independently of the Russian Federation, here it means there facebook and other things, they also try to respond to everything, which is why many of the residents of crimea are not very active on facebook at all. Further, as for the people themselves, they began to educate here since 2014. Or to reeducate people so that a neighbor can save money there they start sending their agents to a neighbor or there in a mosque or put in a phone and collect information, that is, in this way they look for any information that they could get hold of and then carry out all repressive actions, thats why people are more and more. Are still intimidated, but all the same there are people who are still ready to fight, and we, for our part , constantly inform that they should be protected as much as possible in terms of Defense Systems, and so that the occupiers do not come to them, i know, iskander , well, you are even more so you know what. The software that allows, well, in the event of an arrest there, to view even those messages that have been deleted to the owners of the phone, the owners of there, i dont know, ipad, tablet, computer, its impossible, it doesnt matter, a and maybe there are some other nuances that i dont know about, nuances that can help people there, proukrainian, our people. There somehow, well, not completely, but at least partially , to allow yourself to be preserved a little, not to allow them to repress our best people there, there are some tips, some security technology, i dont know, well , first of all, its really a specialist, he can find the information, even if it has been deleted, and thats why we a. Offer to change the gadgets they use, this is firstly, secondly, if they already use social networks, and first of all, when they use and communicate there with us, for example, there or with people or relatives on the mainland of ukraine, then we advise you to use signal, because it is more protected, we do not actively recommend it. To use, unfortunately, many use without knowing by telegram, because he really , well, he can actively use telegram, it is actively used by the special services of the Russian Federation, and that is why we constantly talk about it, in addition, we suggest that, for example, those people who communicate with their relatives, i do not have in mind, vistas or others, you need to use other gadgets that you dont use every day, for example, this is very important, and you really need to check all your, well, lets say publications that were previously in order to really maximize all of this, especially it concerns these activists who. Well , it is possible that they are on the lists of the occupiers, and here it is very important to foresee all these processes, well , it is clear that no one can guarantee himself anything and in no way can he secure himself in the occupied territory, but these tips are actually correct, do not ignore them , i beg you, everyone who watches us both in crimea and in other occupied territories, divide your gadgets into public, non public, etc. , there are still questions in me to iskender bariyev, he is staying, well, he is staying in imprisoned in siberia, the first deputy head of the midjlis of the crimean tatar people, our colleague and comrade nariman dzhelyalov, and now his fate is not much, unfortunately, remembered, well, in ukraine they are remembered, but also not much, the attention of the whole world. Is attracted to navalny and other russians there, but he is in prison in russia for a long term, he was convicted, and we have to constantly talk about him and remind ourselves and others that he is not just a citizen of russia, whom they have there imprisoned illegally, this is a person who has been deported promysova, who was repressed simply because she lived in her homeland, what. To tell about what is now with noriman, how he is, what is there, what, what, what information do you have, and in general, you know, and the second the question, right away, er,. Many people do not understand why the kremlin does not leave crimea, all, well, or they are the most active there, that there is danger, etc. , and really everything is very bad, the occupation, the big war, and what peoples motivation to stay in crimea even under such pressure, i apologize for two questions in one, but eh, please, i think we should start with the second, i will start with the second question, because , well, first of all, it is very important for. The Crimean Tatars that the Indigenous People remain in crimea, because in the future, development and preservation will primarily be connected when we all leave our , well, lets say the ties with crimea, this is firstly, secondly, it is very important that they are not just kept there, but very important that a. They maintain and preserve their identity, so really, when we are still we say, including returning to the International Court of the un, here precisely thanks with the activity demonstrated by the representatives of the crimean tatar people, as regards education in the crimean tatar language, we can clearly say that they really tried to close two schools in the crimean tatar language of instruction, it was in the village. And in the town of stary krym, and thanks to the activity of teachers, the activity of parents, the activity of people, they were forced to leave these schools, and they did not close them, that is, this is an example of when you can demonstrate the struggle, demonstrating the struggle, lets say, more for the preservation identities, yes, indeed, they are still trying to close. They are looking for other opportunities to close crimean tatar schools, when they change their status and increase the study of the russian language instead of crimean tatar, this also happens, but here it is very important that such actions are connected with all these processes were effective, unfortunately, i think they will put more pressure on people after the decision between. Peoples court, because they refrained from such actions, therefore they were forced to close schools there, unfortunately, i think that in the future they will put more pressure on the name to destroy with the aim of destroying the identity of the original crimean tatar people. As for narimants zhelyal, it is indeed primarily a symbol of the struggle of the representative body. Of the crimean tatar people , the interforest of the crimean tatar people, because he is the first deputy of the representative body of the core crimean tatar people, and now he is in minusinsky, that is, in siberia, and there he really is in colony, he is with him, including our compatriots from crimea , and this is good in my opinion, because we understand when you are among , first of all. In the queue of others, that is, other citizens, who have a different mentality and so on, in addition to when we say that, well, lets say, the intelligent ariman dzhelyalov found himself among, lets say, including retivists and other things, and here it is very important that there should be some kind of support from the inside, as for the situation in general, now 184 people from crimea are in the territory of the Russian Federation. Colonies, and of them exactly 125 are representatives of the indigenous crimean tatar people, and indeed each it is very important for us that we maintain ties, that we try to provide them with help and support, and we, on our part , are also looking for an opportunity to be among, lets say, the russians, who are trying to. Help in some way , but now the conditions are different compared to fullscale aggression, and indeed the situation with Political Prisoners in and on the territory of the Russian Federation is very difficult, and here we really need to talk more, more about this issue, and in addition, the Crimean Tatar Resource Center systematically works, and we see, well, in relation to International Law. We see more of such a perspective for, say, exchange, just as we initially talked about the battalion named after nomanachelekhan, and according to the accusation of involvement, and in our opinion, if they are recognized as prisoners of war in ukraine, then we for our part , we will do everything within the framework of International Law so that they can be exchanged, because Political Prisoners cannot be exchanged in relation to International Law, although this is also from we also understand that a large number of civilians who, in particular, tried to carry out what is called civilian journalism within. The peninsula already when professional professional journalists were unable to do it, and Iryna Danylovych and mykola semena, we also remember these people who actually suffered from the repressive russian machine, an extremely difficult story, and for them , we must fight for civilians as well, but to look for some options that the Russian Federation would go for, that is, to put them in a not. Not comfortable position, this should be our goal. Lets take a short break now, mr. Iskender, please dont disconnect, because there are still several questions that i really want to ask you, in particular, about how ukraine feels about crimea and itself with crimea and without actual control over crimea, for these 10 years, both the president and ukrainians had their say this week. 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