Transcripts For ESPRESO 20240704

The criticism that was directed at you and dot during this week, then what can you answer, for example, about the fact that conditions that only large retail chains meet were proposed your organization, and what Market Players told liganet journalists on condition of anonymity that the february tenders were discriminatory, what can you answer to that . I can answer this by saying that. I hope that journalists, there are such journalists in our country, thank god, who really do their work, and not just take money and post materials, in fact, everything has already been established a long time ago, namely in our february tenders , we had lots worth 1. 5 billion and 40 million, respectively, if you are a small supplier, you can try your hand 40 million per lot, if you are a large supplier, and we have several such suppliers in the country, that is, it is not two or three. Campaign, then you can try your hand at a lot of 1. 5 billion this is the first . The second thing that we are often criticized for is that the terms of the contract are very strict, that these terms of the contract cannot be fulfilled by the suppliers. I want to tell you that our terms of the treaties that we proposed in the second procedure, they were more liberal, that is, softer, less strict than those treaties, than those terms that appear in the treaties that today are performed by these suppliers, where the customer in these contracts is the department of resource provision of the ministry of defense. This difference is only that in our case the suppliers understand that they will really fulfill all the terms of the contract in full, in the contracts that are signed today with the department, in fact, all those conditions that are written, they cannot be authorized , i. E. Implemented and implemented in terms of control by the department. And this is the essential and radical change we are talking about, namely exactly the state operator tilu, starting from the end of march, will accept applications from military units and distribute them to suppliers, in this way, understanding what has been ordered, what is planned for delivery, so that we can then compare the fact with the plan, i. E. What was delivered and what was ordered. As of today, no one in the ministry knows what the military is ordering. Parts, and therefore, when there are complaints somewhere that something was not delivered, was not delivered in full, or was not the right assortment, not the right quality, etc. , then it is impossible to compare it with the plan and, accordingly, it is impossible to control it, therefore , the suppliers, realizing that such transparency in all processes of contract execution is unusual for them, they basically tried to. Lets say, question it, tried to question the entire purchase. Arsen, i ll just add that reputable media have written about this problem in terms of criticism, and its very cool that we, as journalists, can ask these critical questions, including to you. Can you summarize which one the Current Situation there were lawsuits against the company, how many are there, are there any now, maybe these lawsuits are new, and what are they about . Connection . There are no new lawsuits, because the procedure under which those lawsuits were filed has already been canceled, well, because no, well, as i said, these suppliers withdrew their offers. The situation now is, as they say, difficult, but controlled, why is it difficult, well, because really we, we have to contract quite quickly now, while not deviating one iota from our demands the whole the amount of food, it is quite a large amount, it is a lot of work and legal and communication work with the market, we carry it out. We are holding it in the literal sense, without days off , literally from Early Morning until late in the evening, eh, we plan to conclude all contracts by march 15, so that the very next day we will be involved with the suppliers in the implementation of these contracts, i want to remind that we have such a situation only in terms of food, in other areas, namely fuel and lubricants , material security, we we perform all volumes are in full measure, we have concluded contracts for 12 billion uah, for your colleagues, because the number of information campaigns, where they write some things against you personally, it is also impressive, it is also, uh, thank god, against my colleagues dont have that, all the pressure is mostly focused on me personally, i dont care about this pressure at all, thank you for joining our broadcast. Dzhumadilov, general director of the state operator tylu, was a guest of svoboda ranok. And then we will talk about the first oscar for ukraine. The ukrainian film 20 days in mariupol, directed by Mstislav Chernov, won the worlds most prestigious film award, the oscar, in the documentary film category. Lets see this moment of announcement and awarding. And oscar gets 20 days in mariupol. This is the first win and nomination for the Academy Award for Mstislav Chernov, Michelle Mizner and rennie aronson rad. Michelle mizner and rennie aronson rad, who were invited to the Award Ceremony together with mystislav chernov, are the movie producers of the tape, in addition to them , photojournalist yevhen malalitka and producer Vasylisa Stepanenko. It was they who filmed the first weeks of battles and the blockade together. To the russian army of mariupol in 2022, in his speech during the presentation of the statuette, Mstislav Chernov said that he would easily exchange this award for the fact that there would be no war in ukraine. It is a great honor for me, but i will probably be the first director on this stage to say i wish i had never made this film. I would like to be able to exchange it for russia never attacking ukraine, never occupying ours cities i would give everything for. That russia does not kill tens of thousands of my countrymen, i want them to release all the hostages, all the soldiers defending their land, all the civilians who are now in their prisons. And i would like to note that this is not the first award that the film 20 days in mariupol received. Previously, the creators of the film , Mstislav Chernov, Vasylisa Stepanenko and yevhen maloletka, became laureates of the pulitziv prize, the highest journalistic award. The film also won an award from the Directors Guild of america, british award. Of cinema and Television Arts bavt, and this weekend, this weekend , the shevchenko prize in the category of publicism and journalism. The winners of this most prestigious award in the field of culture in ukraine were named on march 9, the birthday of taras shevchenko. Singer jamala, composer karmela tsepkolenko, artist andriy yermolenko, authors of the play konotopska witch, ivan uryvskyi, and tetiana were also laureates of this award. Chuk, susanna, as well as writer and soldier yaryna chornoguz, poet and soldier Dmytro Lazutkin. Dmytro lazudin joined our broadcast. I congratulate you, dmytro, poet, tv presenter, military man, and we have known you as a military man recently, and we include you in our broadcast. I congratulate you on this award, you received it for a poetry collection, a bookmark in the literature category. What are these feelings and were you ready for this . My congratulations, really the feeling is incredible, it s not that it was a super surprise for me, the very submission of my book for this award was amazing, because i was in a tent in the army with 20 of my comrades inarms, we were warming ourselves under the burguzyki far away, and they called me , they say that there is such an idea to submit you to shevchenkivsk, i forgot. About this award this year, to be honest, because, well, there were such events, at first our 47th brigade took an active part in the counteroffensive, then we were transferred to the avdiiv direction then, and accordingly, i was not in the context of awards, creative processes, and here it is very nice to receive it, in fact, it is nice that this years award is conceptual, it is sustained in to one keys, it is quite clear, and as i can see from the reviews, well, no one breeds there. Now there are some conflicting moments, unlike previous years, everything satisfies everyone, it seems, it seems that everyone really says that those who deserved it were awarded this year. Its nice, really nice, ive been there for a few days already feeling happy, that is , in general , your impressions of this shevchenko prize are so positive, maybe some unexpected laureates were there at it, you were there at the Award Ceremony itself, the president was also present there, yes, well, that was all the leadership of the country is present, and it is even surprising that such an event took place in the franko theater, that they were not afraid to organize it, despite the fact that under. The threat of ballistic attacks , they do not disappear anywhere, but after all, it probably had to be like this to hold a ceremony with respect for people who create culture now and in our time, besides, there were indeed several military servicemen among the laureates, and i and iryna and andrii, well, that is, there were people who in one way or another are related to the direct protection of the motherland, its not abstract there metaphorically, but simply directly. Cool, this is cool and necessary. During the presentation of the award, you mentioned the poets borys humanyuk and mykola leonovych, who are considered missing and called to wait for their works. Tell us about these people. Well, really, i believe that poets are alive as long as they are read, and it is very important that boris khomenyuk was also a military man, even during the ato, he participated in the war and published a book. About what he experienced himself, disappeared, accordingly, so did mykola leonovych, he was already mobilized during the fullscale attack, and he served, died on the ovdiivskyi direction , he left two small children, he was a laureate of the smoloskip literary prize, an illustrator, a writer, a musician, a very creative person, unfortunately, unfortunately, nothing is known about them for a long time, and i dont want to nothing to say, i just want to believe, hope, and in any case. Not to forget about them, and we also do not forget, of course about those who were lost in this war, this is max kryvtsov, too, whom i knew well personally, and his book was published there with mine in small letters there are a few sentences about him, he managed to send me both Volodymyr Vakulenko and glip babich, we lost these people, these beautiful poets, precisely in this war, and vika emelina, who was not a soldier, but actively engaged in volunteer Work Research and many other people , we are losing many, many really golden, talented ones, and i see from the 47th brigade, this is a pity, at the same time, and at the same time , you understand the price of this war for us, and i want the nation to also understood and realized that now, that right now is such a historical, tragic, dramatic moment, when it is necessary to unite and feel ones own responsibility, in a very mature way, for what is happening. I still want to finish, we have a minute left , but i would also like to ask your impressions of the fact that 20 days in mariupol, it was this film that won the oscar, and you know, i was struck by the comment that i often see that this is the first oscar for ukraine , but i will never be able to watch this film, and how can you evaluate it, or the russianukrainian theme war, so it sounded louder in the world . Clearly, this is a very important victory, and i very much congratulate the whole piece. The collective , what is experienced with ones own eyes must be recorded , you understand, i, as an author, as a poet, also try to somehow track and record these moments that i encounter directly, because such an informational flow of events, which somewhat blurs, somewhat recedes in the background, in fact, we live in such a time that clearly needs to be realized in art, and it is good that this is conveyed to the world, it is in principles the goal of our fighters, i have a book published in poland, translations into english are being prepared, and i think that we need to talk about it, we need to work on it and remind ourselves of it incessantly, if we want to be sympathized with, to be helped , culture should work in this direction. Thank you for participating, once again i congratulate you on this award, Dmytro Lazutkin was a guest of svoboda ranok. Thank you so much to all our viewers for being with us since monday. On fridays from 9 00 a. M. On tv channels and radio svoboda, subscribe to us and like, my name is kateryna nekrecha, i and our whole team, we wish you a peaceful day, take care and see you tomorrow, we thank our colleagues from radio svoboda and continue our broadcast, roman chaika, oksana vysochanska, we encourage, first of all, we remind for. Of the russianfascist occupiers, that today the point of invincibility, where you can warm yourself in the harsh moscow spring, has been moved again, so it is in the suburbs of moscow, there is a warehouse. Looking for a warehouse of building materials, it burns no worse than the one near the airport in st. Petersburg, these are the two main points of indomitability in order to warm the hands, well, thats it, yes, but i still have to remind you about our collection for the soldiers of the 120th brigade, we collect on buggies, medevacs, on rebs, on trench reb , for the car reb, 480, you need to collect, qr code, card number will help you to do it, and already on. Our account has 346,5556 uah, we still need a little, we still need to collect, and fighters 12 of a separate special forces unit will say, class, we can do our work better, faster, more efficiently and, of course, evacuate wounded, because it is very important, we remember that the first hours after being wounded are the most important to help our defenders, and now we can support them a little. And please donate for this equipment, it helps to quickly deliver to the stabilization point to the point our wounded than to save hundreds of lives, and in the meantime we will talk about a person who is called to save millions of lives, or maybe billions, i dont know, but i suggest yes, something went wrong again, so we will talk with the head of the Christian Society of ukrainians in italy, oles horodetskyi, mr. Olesya, congratulations. Glory to ukraine. I congratulate you as a hero slava. And if you say glory to ukraine to the pope, he will answer as glory to russia, or will he still answer the heroes of the words . I think that he does not know, he knows the christian greeting. He was once taught by the ukrainian bishop chmyl in argentina to greet, glory be to jesus christ, and he greets our bishops and our ukrainians with a proper christian greeting. Does he know . Glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, i dont know, i think not. Yes, after all, about his last statement about the white flag, about the fact that when the war is no longer going the way you want, then wise people sit down and negotiate, and in fact the white flag is not read in different versions in the whole world, it is read exclusively as a flag when surrendering, this is the only one. Thats why it was very strange when other nuncios tried to paraphrase the words to explain that you are not so clear, we have deja vu, because yanukovych, a twice notconvicted, imprisoned president , always blurted out Something Like that then they immediately included hanna stetsiv herman, who explained that he had quite the second thing he wanted to tell you, quite the opposite, and here is the same situation, and this is not the first time from the pope , is it not . Well, you know what is most strange is that it is the pope who constantly makes mistakes in his words, and then his press office tries to give some kind of explanation and say that he was misunderstood, strange, because the pope, first of all, a pastor, a priest, a bishop, and the word is his tool, it is his main means that he must use in his mission, and. This fact that a priest, a bishop, a pope, is constantly wrong and needs some kind of correction of his words, because they cause indignation, well , it seems to me that this is not just some mistake, but that somewhere, well, the pope wants to give some such message, which in his opinion is correct, and he knows that it will provoke such a reaction. He does it anyway, of course, its unpleasant, its unpleasant to hear that from the head of the head of the catholic church, because hes the spiritual leader of over a billion people in the world, hes listened to, and what weve always said, you know, we want the pope, for him to be a pope, he doesnt need to be a political figure, political, you know, a speaker or an expert, as he is now turning into, eh. For him to be a pope, a priest, no, for him to condemn sin, we are not saying that he should speak badly about the aggressor putin or about russia, but that he should say , that killing is a sin, i as the head of the church must tell you about it, unfortunately, he does not do it, but makes some, you know, such political exits, which are absolutely very often devoid of common sense. Mr. Olesya, we have seen and already heard the reaction of our president Volodymyr Zelenskyi to the popes words, i also see that have already published a statement permanently. Synod in the gcc for thats all, but how do they react in the vatican to yesterdays action in rome, yes, in which you took part, to such statements, there is a reaction, they do not Pay Attention to what other explanations are made to the explanations, and was there a reaction from our diplomats in the vatican, well, look, as soon as it was reported. Under the popes, lets say it was published in the italian press, the Christian Society of ukrainians in italy published a statement in almost a few hours, and this statement was published by all mass media, i can say it like this, important mass media on television, as well as the statement of the ambassador of ukraine to the vatican, which he published and ours. Of the minister of legal affairs, so this is top news, the words of the pope, but this top news, it was accompanied by all our comments, and it was good, because our comments from the ukrainian side, the community, the minister, the ambassadors, they basically neutralized e eh, well, the influence of these words of the pope, because we explained that look, well, its a clear mistake, clearly, well, you cant talk like that, and you cant say the priest , and the pope, thats why something happened, we dont understand why, but apparently , well, no, dont take it, uh, these words directly, thats why there was an immediate refutation that came out after our statements, well, lets say it, no a refutation, and somewhere a correction, eh, the explanation is so weak, i would say, here it is, in general, it seems to me that it was possible to neutralize a little this negative influence of the popes words, because lets not forget that the pope has a huge influence, and very often these are all such hidden friends of putin, they quote the pope, and it is bad, yes, because pope francis is the most quoted catholic on Russian Television these days, and here, mr. Olyss, is a philosophical question, well, if you take away. The apostle peter, who did not even have the title of pope at that time, but was actually the first pope, the pope of rome, and Saint John Paul ii, then with all the rest of the popes we have a lot of historical facts and stories that were very very evil, both from the point of view of the inquisition and from the point of view of adolf hitler, the best friend of all catholics and many other scandalous things that are wrong with the roman popes, why only two. I can remember, maybe im bad memory, to which christians in all corners of the planet do not have any claims, and with others something was always wrong, well, probably good popes, lets say there were more than two, obviously, here, and we remember when during the time after , during the Second World War , ukrainian prisoners of war, in particular. Members of the Ukrainian Division who were in rome, the actual intervention of the pope saved them, they were not sent to siberia, to russia, to the soviet union, well, that is, of course, this is a little generalization, perhaps, in my opinion, the problem is that the pope, in addition to what is the spiritual leader of one of the greatest religions, the religion to which i belong, he is also the state. He is an official, he is the head of the country, and he also influences politics, world politics, he probably influences more than entire international organizations, the main thing is that the pope does not forget that he is first and foremost the successor of saint peter, because you know when you dont know what to say, quote the gospel, talk about god. Because you can never mistake it, maybe because hes from argentina, maybe because hes strong, you know, such an influence of antiamericanism, which is not only in latin america, the same italy, in america, the same italy, and people try to look for the cause of evil not where it actually is, that is, that the pope, well. I made completely public such political assessments of her about the unfortunate daria dugina and the fact that the reason for the war is that nato barked violently at the door of. About these last statements of his, when he speaks to the people who are bleeding, who are fighting for their own freedom, surrender, raise the white flag, this is unworthy, let him remember the two ukrainian priests, redemptorists, who were captured, who were captured by the russian aggressors and are already more than halfway there. Year in prison, they are an example of what will happen to all ukrainians if we raise the white flag. Mr. Olesya, do they in the vatican, i am talking about the pope and his entourage in general, have an understanding of what would happen if his words became reality, that is, if ukraine reacted exactly as the vatican calls for it, you understand, that by the end in the west in general. In the world there is no awareness of who putin is and what it means to fall under russian occupation, that is, people draw information from propaganda, unfortunately, and very often propaganda is presented as an alternative to the mainstream, they say that this is bad western communication, this is all a prowestern view of life, let us listen to what is being said elsewhere and. And take this solovyov propaganda, you know, at face value, both from propaganda and from fsb agents in the vatican, because somehow, the pope is not the kind of person who will lead to some yellow press, look, unfortunately, the vatican has people, and its not, no, no , not today, you know that the archives of poland, other countries and ukraine are open, and it is already known about the people who were recruited. In the immediate circle of various popes, that is, this influence persists, and unfortunately, both among the jesuits and among influential people in the curia, there are people who adhere to prorussian views, who put this, mr. Ole, we have a moment for the news, right here during artist Serhiy Kolyada directly sent two of his paintings to me on the air, they. Even earlier than, thats not are now painted for this scandal , but here is one picture, and the second is even more interesting, because it answers the question that the bundesfera deputy asked the pope why, you, the pope, do not say anything to the pontiff of the Russian Orthodox church, who blesses the murder ukrainians, if only one word about him would seem to ukrainians, these two good paintings in whether there will ever be a condemnation. From the papal throne, the crime committed by the fsb unit is the Church Called the Russian Orthodox church and its kyril gundyaev. Well , you see, papa is trying to fraternize with gundyaev, since the trip to cuba, since the havana declaration, this constant, lets say, dialogue in quotes continues, and the pope is trying to get an invitation to russia, he believes that it will be his. More likely an achievement in office, here and he had a conversation with kirill, and even called him putins cleric, that is, clerics are putin, like a boy who serves putin, but unfortunately, this is not enough, and there is no condemnation of sin, what we ask from the pope, as a priest, he obliged to condemn aggression, as a phenomenon, as sin