The radical rhetoric of emmanuel macron, so lately he has been surprising us with his statements, which, by the way, are very consistent, in my opinion, but we will figure out what these are statements, why are they needed, oleg shamshur, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to france in 2014 and 20 is already in touch with us, mr. Oleg, we are glad to see you, welcome to our airwaves, i congratulate you, mr. Ambassador, see , this is about a simple childrens question, and here is president macron. Is he seriously saying this whole thing, or is he just saying it for, so to speak, the internal french or internal european consumer, we understand what ambitions he has, so to speak, that is very good for a politician, but we are in ukraine, well, sometimes too much we strongly perceive unfulfilled promises, and we would ask you to separate, so to speak, his public rhetoric from his readiness to take serious steps, because chancellor scholz. The kremlin warned, yes, and scholz is now, so to speak, doing everything, anything, except for one thing, except for the transfer even through Great Britain of longrange taurus missile fire systems, it is not right to answer this question, i think so, and i think that it is necessary to devote a lot of time to this, i will try to be more or less concise. Lets take two out of the box the issues that definitely influenced and influence macrons behavior are the considerations of the internal political struggle, primarily with the lipen party, on the eve, on the eve of the elections to the european parliament, now its National Assembly is significantly ahead. And thus starting these debates, bringing them to the french parliament, he tried and is trying to show the proputin russophile character of the lupin party. The second circumstance is definitely, i imagine that in. In macrons plans, ukrainian issues, assistance to ukraine, leadership in these issues, levers of struggle, or efforts, at least to get and embrace the vacant place of the informal leader of europe, who can be called, called and get a competent answer, and he on. Contrast , i demonstrate my determination, compared to the indecision, procrastination characteristic of scholz. These are two questions, they definitely have an impact, but lets take them out of the scope. Basically, really, uh, its no coincidence that macrons position has been revolutionized from someone who talked to putin even after the start of largescale aggression, who urged not to humiliate russia and. I think the fact that there was an evolution and that appropriate, i would say, revolutionary statements were made to some extent were influenced by the following factors, in my opinion, firstly, in the erisei palace, they are really concerned about the critical situation that has developed on the fronts of the russianukrainian war, and there is a fear that without superpowers, as macron says, from a multiple increase in the quality and volume of aid to ukraine, our army, in. The country will not be able to cope with the russian aggressor, this is the first moment, a turning point, as they say, in the decision to make the corresponding statement of macron, there were two factors, and refers to his advisers, firstly, surprisingly, his trip to sweden, which at that time, was already in, as they say, before. Was preparing to join nato, and he was amazed at how serious the concern is, even they use the words of the fears of swedish politicians about the possibility of the spread of russian aggression. The second fact is trumps wellknown statement that he will send a message to putin that he can do whatever he wants with. With those nato members who do not make adequate contributions to the capability nato. In addition to this, cyberattacks by Russian Hackers against french french infrastructural enterprises, exposure of russian disinformation networks, russian provocations were added. Naval forces, russian, russian, russian, aircraft and in general systematically, in one word, the russians managed to shake the internal, so to speak, equilibrium of the french president , and he voiced what he voiced, but we are most interested in how ready he will be sharply. To act, thats it, yes, i wanted to say, and the last one the cringe was navalnys death, uh , this, well, if you look at his statements, if you look at how he now interprets the situation in the war against russian aggression, we saw this yesterday in his interview, this is positive, together with therefore, it is necessary to understand what is being said, even when. He is talking about the sending of military units , the possibility of theoretically sending military units to ukraine, it is not about combat units, that is, it is not about their possible participation in military operations on the territory of ukraine, it is necessary, and you generally believe that that military france can be in ukraine in any, lets say, conditions, there is no talk of getting involved. At the moment, i do not believe in this, i think that even if we theoretically predict such a possibility, we must understand that in any case it will not be an individual decision, not even a decision to create some kind of coalition of countries that are ready for this. And this will be a collective decision at the nato level, that is, it must be realistic. To look at things, and macron yesterday, just like his Prime Minister before that, he said that they are not located, do not lead war against russia and the russian people, france will never carry out offensive operations and show the initiative, and this must be realistically understood that even such correct, correct statements must be true. In the context of real politics and real actions, including that i would like to see from france a greater amount of aid to ukraine and a greater amount of aid to the military sphere, which it obviously could do, mr. Oleg, and dont you think that the last three interviews, which gave putin on the eve of pseudoelections and these emmanuel macrons statements, its kind of. A game to raise rates, one makes a statement , the other also makes a statement, and you know, its a bit like that, a kind of pingpong of statements comes out, that is, does it all look like some kind of political game, i dont see a political game here on putins part , this is really raising the stakes and trying to achieve certain goals through spitting, through intimidation. Opponents and, unfortunately, our western partners very often resort to this, i would say so, and as for macron, i listened to his interview yesterday, analytical intelligence on this matter, and one gets the impression that he is really genuinely concerned about the situation in which ukraine now finds itself, after the supply of its weapons in the necessary quantities has stopped, another thing is that we need not so much discussions now, nor so many correct statements , how many specific actions, how specific. Help, and it is needed now, that is, the time factor weighs much more now, even than before. Well, can we generally hope for an increase in military aid . We understand that the french, well, are going at the speed with which they are going, but it is not enough for us, and here we understand that certain internal french processes are ongoing, and their exponent, as it was best manifested, was , unexpectedly, the old mans daughter. On marine le pen, yes, a rightwing populist, well, who noted that russia is waging an unjust, aggressive war against ukraine, and i will quote now, yes, france is obliged to respect and support the affected ukrainian people. So, will we be able to get something more than, so to speak, this current level military aid well, i would add to that what she also mentioned in her speech. Putin as a criminal and advocated the use of frozen assets to provide aid to ukraine, that is, this is a separate plot, it could be discussed separately and should be discussed separately, but as for the amount of aid in general , given the Current Situation in the united states, of course , europe would have to be ready for uh. I would say so, to take up the banner of helping ukraine, i. E. Words we see such readiness, but unfortunately, concrete actions, they lag far behind the rhetoric, we wanted this rhetoric to be supported by concrete deeds, and as for the united states, the situation there remains very difficult, and now it is already obvious that even with. Well, the ideal scenario, what we lack, after we got rid of a significant part of american aid, the european union, europe is not able to fully provide, for this it really, as macron says, must do more efforts, and i repeat again, the main thing is that it does not remain only at the level of rhetoric, or. Or that it does not materialize for too long, because there really is no time. 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Congratulations, glory to the heroes. Well, with your, so to speak, glazed eye, how do you evaluate all those processes, and is it even possible to talk about the fact that putin was painted exactly as much, as much as he wanted. Can we expect some surprises . Well, really, it was possible to talk with you a week ago, and two and three times about the drawn indicators. And here, in principle , there is no surprise, from what is happening now, well, first of all, this is the first day of the acclamation, that is, the specificity here is that if you were talking before , it was really about the reappointment of putin, now it is already, well, lets say yes, an acclamation and a plebiscite in one bottle, do the russians agree to an eternal war about. Those who will be called enemies, it does not matter whether it will be finland or it will be moldova, or it will be kazakhstan , or it will be some other country that Russian Troops can reach, this is specific, that is, the russians must formally confirm, this is how we vote for it, this is how we support it, mr. Oleksandr, look, here those, at least the footage that has already reached us from the russian federation, they resemble. A certain shapito circus, and you know, here the question is whether International Observers are needed at the stations, or paramedics, because some, excuse me, musketeers are coming, dartanians, i dont know, but now, if our filmmakers have the opportunity to show these funny and i would say quite comical videos from the precincts, then we understand, well, that it smells like some kind of idiocy, well, i just dont even know how to comment on it, thats what some do from that ostentation, well, it doesnt look good. This is like a serious, you know, election process, it looks like some kind of nonsense, how would you describe today in general, yes, for example, have you been watching what is happening there, because even the information about burnt ballot boxes has already come out, greens at the polling stations, well, a lot of things, tell me if you were interested, if you know, well, now you are wondering about a musketeer or a cheburashka, or a dancing grandmother, even in 2010. Last year i was a supervisor at an exit poll in belarus, and i wanted to show lukashenko that everything is fair, so. Sociologists come, conduct exit polls and show the world that everything is okay. So, in 2010, already in belarus, all this was used, at election precincts, and i went around, well, somewhere around a few dozen during the demonstration of the will of these precincts, in some in the precincts there were such buffets that the tables broke, in other precincts there was real dancing in front of the polling stations in harmony with everyone there. Attributes of a village wedding, one more precinct could get a free haircut, there was also a dental office somewhere, this is 2010 belarus, if you want 2024 russia, so there are no surprises here, as they can, as they want, the task is one to increase the turnout, yes, well, at the beginning of our conversation, you very rightly noted the key point, which is the internal. Sociology of the kremlin, because the result they they draw for themselves, but they are actually now researching, checking, investigating the real attitudes of the russian population and we understand that this is a plebiscite on the continuation of the war, that is, if we talk about internal russian attitudes, and if we talk about the socalled classified internal russian red lines, we understand that , that there are sanitary losses from minus over 300,000 russian interventionists there. Irreversible and so on, well , it is still felt, no matter what russia is like, and how do you make this picture in your imagination regarding this putin plebiscite regarding war . Well, this is actually a formal part of the puzzle, they must then be shown that the absolute majority voted for the continuation of this war with a huge turnout, the voters draw, draw as much as they need, draw as much as they need, but they also focus on additional things that it is in fact, well, they have their own internal closed sociology , for this it is not necessary to hold elections , that is, they understand it, by the way, the fact that they understand the mood of the population very well and the problems they face is shown by the messages that putin voices during their. Well, now these are actually preelection rallies or preelection interviews, an emphasis on economic problems and solving the financial problems of russians, an emphasis on programs for various population groups, an emphasis on housing and communal services, an emphasis on education, an emphasis on doctors in the medical field, this is all that our studies show the same, only in contrast to the russian ones. Sociologists, we show the real picture to everyone and do not try to distort it, therefore the attitude of the russians, they know what confuses the russians, they also know that shalki taraz now they are leaning more and more towards the pragmatic motive, the motive of their own survival and solving their own problems among russians, they are very well aware, accordingly now after the elections. The main goal, the first task of the kremlin is to return the russians to the state they were in the beginning of the 22nd year, when all economic and financial problems were pushed aside, rejected by the problem of war, shock, fear and uncertainty. Accordingly, after this acclamation and this referendum, in fact for the continuation of the eternal war, they will be presented with a new enemy, a new regime, which very oppressive russians and threatens russia , which, according to the idea, must be quickly and almost painlessly, bloodlessly defeated, but in this case it is necessary to defeat, capture, annex, it does not matter, subjugate, de nazify, it does not matter, but it must be turned around once more and thus give the russians in first of all , shock and push back all these economic landings. Problems, so to speak , secondly, to try to repeat the crimean consensus that russia is a great state, greatness has to be paid for, well, no big deal. Mr. Oleksandr, look, information has arrived from center of National Resistance that during the pseudoelections of the russian president in the temporarily occupied ukrainian territories, the russians check the military records of the men who came to the polling stations and demand that they update the data in the military registers, this is how we understand half the trouble that. I