Goals , and there are countries that in one and a half years from critical dependence on russian gas, i always talk about germany, as an example, italy, well, italy is not so much, but germany, it was the Largest Consumer of russian gas, today it has been reduced to zero in one and a half years , that is, everyone understands that Russian Energy resources have no place on the european market, but do Russian Energy resources have a place, mr. Mykhailo, because Herman Galushchenko is talking about europe, i understand that we do not have russian gas, we do not use it, despite the fact that this gas goes through the pipe , no, practically now we use domestically produced gas, and it covers our needs, well, unfortunately, this is not a reason to be proud, so to speak, from the point of view that our gas consumption, it has decreased. Not due to, say, Energy Efficiency and so on, as a result of the fact that the Industrial Infrastructure that consumed gas was destroyed, and we came to what we once dreamed of, to provide ourselves with our own gas, but this is a consequence of the war, in fact, therefore, the prosthesis of these circumstances is that relieves us of dependence on the east, that is, on russian supplies. And from the west, that is, we also do not take gas in reverse order from the countries of the European Union, but make do with what we extract, and that is enough for us. As for, lets say, the future, indeed, we have already seen that it is not only from the point of view of our interests, there is no need to prolong or conclude a new gas agreement with gazprom, under any conditions. Neither on those that were in the 19th contract, nor on purely european ones, and all the more so as we see that the position of the European Commission, which has been voiced several times recently by the profile European Commissioner kadri simpson, is very favorable for us, that is, there is no need the European Union will continue to receive russian gas if there are fans of russian gas and putin like orban and fitz. Then these are their problems, and the European Union , the European Commission directly pointed out to them that the opportunities to diversify gas supply in the presence of those interconnectors of underground gas storages that exist in europe are more than sufficient for these fans of russian gas and putin to satisfy their needs without using them. So to speak, russian gas as a whole, so im looking at what may even be earlier than. 27th year europe will give up the leading gas supplies from russia. Another problem is the supply of liquefied natural gas, which is still being observed the growth of its import from russia, from the yamal fields, but at the same time, the European Union is really being looked at more and more skeptically to stop these purchases, ah, and to use more liquefied gas from other sources, there are no special problems here either. Has, so i think that in this regard, of course, we would like it to be faster, but the process of derussification of the european gas market, which began in 2022, is ongoing, and what will this mean for russia, the refusal of ukraine , refrain from using the gts, because its been around since time immemorial of the soviet union, actually the pipe somewhere in the sumy region entered ukraine and exited in uzhhorod, in ringoy. Mary uzhhorod, there was this big gas pipeline. Well, this is one of them. Yes yes. So, what does the absence of this pipe actually mean for russia. That is, russia will start selling more to china, or russia . Somewhere, there will be a reorientation to other states, that is, how much will they lose . They are already losing, they now look pitiful against the background of the achievements, so to speak, which they have now received, that is, if we do not go into details, then essentially now russia dropped itself to the level of soviet gas supplies to europe sometime in the mid80s, when actually. The big gas expansion did not begin, but to shift everything to china, thats simple, there is no such faucet that switched it from the european direction to asian and gas went there, for this we still need to build a bunch of gas pipelines, which are roughly the same scale, it is the same as both northern streams, the power of siberia, they talk about it there, but china is in no hurry, by the way, because china is implementing an ambitious Waiver Program from fossil. Types of fuel and does not strongly want to commit to a gas alternative, so to speak, there is a rapid rethinking of approaches, but what will happen to russia, sob, of course, their Production Volume has decreased, they and the volume of exports, respectively, as i already noted, they will now try to use the domestic market as usual, the elections have passed, the socalled elections, now it is possible to raise prices for the consumer inside russia. Now you can talk about that, and here they will try to develop and expand more now, more precisely, they already had a fairly developed gaschemical production, that is , to maximize the use of gas for the production of mineral fertilizers, for the production of various types of plastics and exports, and this is another added value to export more mineral fertilizers, various plastic products, etc. Intermediate level for the chemical industry, in order, so to speak , to solve this problem, and it is very important, to impose sanctions in this sector on them, so that they do not receive new cash flows to the war budget, well, no did not receive new production facilities, opportunities. Thank you, mr. Mykhailo, for the conversation, it was mykhailo gonchar, president of the center for global studies strategy 21. Friends, we are conducting. 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Mr. General, yesterday, after the pseudoelections were held in russia, putin said that russia will have to think about who it can talk to about peace in ukraine, and also reacted to the hostilities in the border areas of the Russian Federation and said about a possible sanitary zone between russia and ukraine. It is possible that, bearing in mind the tragic events taking place today, we will be forced at some point, when we consider it appropriate, to create a certain sanitary zone in todays territories subordinate to the kyiv regime, to create a security zone, which will be quite difficult to overcome , using the means of defeat that the enemy uses, first of all. Mr. General, is it possible to perceive the latest intensive shelling of sumy oblast as an attempt to rehearse the creation of this sanitary zone between ukraine and russia . Well, first of all, it must be said that putin is losing on the battlefield, the reserves are running out, and he is trying to formulate a new model of a peace agreement, which provides for some sanitary zones, but on the territory. Countries, where we made fundamental concessions in terms of the territorial integrity of ukraine, where you conquered, and on the other hand, part of the territories where they did not occupy today, but we left, there were neither Defense Structures nor powerful fire means and , of course, its ability to counteract the enemy in the event of a new aggression, that is, it is clear here position, still does not have the potential for offensive operations, he thinks to strike today. Rockets in order to create such a spectacle that there will be a zone of permanent impression on the territory of ukraine, and on the contrary to say that we will stop, for example, the strikes and you will stop, but we will create a sanitary zone. On your territory, this is putins rhetoric today, but it is reinforced by something, new aggression at the front and in the frontline regions, sumy, kharkiv, zaporizhzhia, kherson and other regions, so in this situation we see all putins strategy, today he is trying to pull up his last reserves in order to demonstrate some success at the front, but to conduct in parallel. Talk first of all with the countries that are , as he said, close in terms of negotiations, this is, for example, china, it can be india, this is turkey, erdogan repeatedly says that it is necessary to stop hostilities, but of course, when therefore, the occupied territories remain for putin to create some peace zones, but it is putin who is already formulating that they will be precisely sanitary zones, that is, it is trying through third countries and some allies. Of the European Union, such as hungary , slovakia, to put pressure on such large countries as china, turkey, india, brazil, and also possibly some forces , who will be in europe, will lob the issue of this peace in putins style, and on the other hand, then he will formulate where these zones can be, which will be, respectively, territories under control, from our side, we must retreat and. Withdraw there troops, that is, to impose an occupation part of the territories and conditions of peace not only in the sanitary zones, there are far away its ambitious plans, it must go through some stages, as he says, demilitarization, refusal to retreat to nato and the like and the like, that is, many such positions that putin wants to promote as the winner, and then in quotation marks , like a beast, a peacemaker, this is putins main strategy today, this is what he announced for the russians, because. That war for russia is a huge problem and losses, not only the potential is undermined, if every day we conduct powerful blows, near thousands of people, only killed, how many seriously wounded, this is a huge loss in a month , 1015 brigades happen, so this is a powerful format, not only the deification of the efforts of those offensive operations, which he would like, but it is felt in the hinterland, as he says in russia, where someone feels that either the dead are coming. They are being carried away, or the wounded are coming, who are telling what it is like here, that there are no, so to speak, nationalists here, on the contrary, they are waging the wrong war, and this is powerful internal propaganda now, she is still invisible but many dont want to fight anymore, the mobilizations too, and Something Like 70 percent already dont want war without supporting ukraine, but no one wants to die here, so in this situation , putin is trying to impose his peace formula, as if based on. Such positions are already, i say, humanitarian, he says , but they affect russian society. Mr. Generals, you, you, you said that in the hinterlands of russia, people already understand what a war with ukraine is, but at the same time , over the past few days, we have seen a special operation, or a military operation of the Russian Volunteer corps of the legion of freedom of russia and the battalion of siberia, when the fighters of these. Entered the territory and enter the territory of the Russian Federation, in particular the Belgorod Region and the kurt region, and here are the statistics from the legion of freedom of russia that during the week of the limited military operation in the border areas of the belgorod and kursk regions of russia, the enemys irreversible losses amounted to 613 people, sanitary losses of 829 people, 27 captured, seven tanks, 20 bmps, five armored personnel carriers, six armored personnel carriers were destroyed. And other techniques as you evaluate the possibilities the deployment or return of the war to the territory of the Russian Federation, and how, what opportunities are there, in particular, here citizens, of course, of the Russian Federation participate in this, can the Defense Forces of ukraine, defending themselves, conduct such operations on the territory of russia . Well, today the general concept is that the ukrainian Defense Forces do not fight on the territory of russia, this is how i understand it and strategically at home with partners, and so that it is not qualified that we conduct offensive operations on the territory of russia, and not , on the contrary, liberate our territories, but russians, other citizens, for example, by nationality, these are russian citizens, including chechens, who should, i also think, act more effectively, i think they are rightfully there. They can fight against putins regime, we can strengthen them by all possible means, there can be other contingents, it is their right to invite, as a party fighting against putins regime. Therefore, i think that the strengthening of these operations will have a good perspective. For now, it has a military and political significance. Election period, you can imagine when every russian, every village all the way to st. Petersburg and moscow is controlled by the fsb, the ministry of internal affairs, the russian guard, various structures of the force format, exactly three united fronts enter here, respectively, the russian corps and the siberian battalion, and conduct operations. Sent against the fsb, border guards, against the russian guard, the military, here and the ministry of internal affairs, and they seem to be entering the regions, this was primarily a militarypolitical format and a blow to putins prestige during the election period, especially the regime that he established during elections, did not take place, showed specifically, went in, there are no dragons teeth , there are no minefields, the right approach, i think that ours should be used where we are operating at the front, when we really need to look for weak points and. Accordingly strike at the enemy, the second is to accumulate specific losses on the battlefield there, which forces today, first of all, putin to justify himself, to talk about the fact that there are no prospects here, but he will use some military means, as at the front, and this recognition of power is real. The third component, the russians who are there, live there, they are not a resistance they dont do anything, on the contrary, according to our data, some sympathize, but it is very important that. According to all investigated and even closed, about 10 of russians are radically opposed to the regime, and this is the potential for people to rise up in the future for a war with putin , now they will not rise up all over russia yet, but as the activities of the fronts are successful, they will join there as well, but at the same time, i emphasize, when they join, they will enter successfully, more strategically, when our counterattacks will be powerful and we will start active, i i emphasize the first. Strategically offensive operations, then the success of these formations, and already of russian radical structures, which will be ready to rise up, knowing that putins regime is weak, will not do anything with them, then it will begin, but without real successes at the front, while there will be, unfortunately, local operations, successful, yes, they will be completed in a week, two or three, but still, putin will mobilize resources both internally and from the front and direct them to the localization of the offensives of these three formations, which are today on the territory of russia. Great success, but he has not yet of strategic importance. Mr. General, according to the Central Election Commission of russia, putin has the support of more than 80 of russian citizens. In your opinion, this number allows putin to do what to do, that is, to announce a large additional mobilization, to launch larger combat operations, to throw everything into the crucible of war. Referring to these figures, i. E. What will happen after putin once again receives, well, these conclusions of the Central Election Commission that he is the president of russia again and this, and this, as they say, historical figure in the election race will be recorded, well this number was clearly defined, we said approximately 8687. Well, it literally coincided with an accuracy of 5 , so what was drawn there indicates that putin is trying to legitimize all his actions, and aggressive strategy, and so to speak, new offensive operations and new mobilizations and repressions in the Russian Federation, this he will talk about the fact that he received a new credit of the trust of such a huge number of people, but on aggression, i will say frankly, there is absolutely no such thing, because all the commissions that worked. There are indeed possible opponents of putin there was little compared to those that we say are hidden internally, but in reality people are against the war and against dying at the front, so that he does not think that he received any credits of trust for the war, this is definitely not the case, it is a completely different situation, elections for elections, even if a part supports putin, war is war, so use this percentage for aggression. Aggression, even more so global, in order to once again throw people into meat assaults, will not work like that, because along with the elections, all russians already feel that there is a real threat, and a threat to them, specifically to families, because every family will die at the front, we remember the old periods, when the afghans there first had victorious performances, and when the victims went, and this was orders of magnitude lower , than today in russia, and the union was much larger, but. Every family has already started to worry about what will happen to their soldiers, so to speak, and now it is happening en masse, to raise the mobilization now by half a million, it is accordingly pumped out permanently there is no confrontation. Election ratings wont help, mr. General, just yesterday in transnistria, an unknown drone attacked a helicopter that was stationed on the territory