Europe, following the results of this exhibition, visiting various manufacturers and conducting some practical negotiations. That is, you are preparing platforms for new projects where the western potential, based on your experience, can generate new products that will really help fight the russian threat. Well, it can be argued that these sites have already been formed, they are already like that. For free on the playgrounds, and from these platforms, some practical aspects, practical cooperation, some kind of help, service, maintenance, weapons that were transferred by partners, as well as the creation of something that addresses current challenges and threats, and really causes not illusory, well some is of practical interest to western companies, mr. Yaroslav, here. Is it the rebovsky segment or the radio intelligence segment that interests our partners the most, or the other at the same time . And they are not even ready to talk about radiotechnical intelligence in such a meaningful way, to say, what interests everyone, first of all, it interests the means of radioelectronic intelligence, after that , radio engineering, i am interested in radioelectronic warfare. I have the impression that the west has not directly recognized this threat of these means of small unmanned aerial vehicles, which have been widely used on the battlefield in ukraine for about a year now. That is, i think that at the next exhibition we will talk about this segment of tactical rebu with western companies, while such conversations are not conducted. Rap in their understanding is against antiradiolocation ee means and means of suppressing satellite or cellular or terrestrial ground communication, until they can no longer do this, maybe a little antidrone antidrone fight, but only with some military drones at some long distances, that is, their concept has not yet changed and the paradigm and approach have not changed. Well, this is somewhat strange, because if im not mistaken, you gave a presentation on the threat at the last conference. From drones on the battlefield, you told these challenges, and i had hope that in a year they would come from solutions that will, well, help to level this threat, its so quite so, well, its strange to hear that they are so inert from the point of view of threat perception, how to prevent this, so that they work a little faster . Well, now our government is working very fruitfully on this to at least solve our local problem. And by solving this local problem and communicating some results of the application of those approaches that the west is currently offering us, we are precisely bringing this understanding of western countries closer to the fact that this is a problem, it is relevant, it is serious, it systemic, but for now, there is a certain inertia, there is a certain inertia, although i already see certain materials from. Bloggers abroad, regarding the fact that, for example, in the same china, experiments have already begun regarding the use of fpv drones, i. E. Certain countries are already studying this experience, accordingly , the experience against drone combat will be studied, and even such videos have already appeared in china , some nominal training, i think, another six months a year, and it will really have an impact there in the west and some real decisions will be made , well. Points of view. You have two of these tactical samples that relate to the detection of Unmanned Systems and the fight against these drones, these are. The two developments that you brought to these exhibitions, these are precisely the pluton system and the hydra system, can you tell us a little about them, whether they are purchased, in what feature of these things, without too much detail, but to understand the potential and importance of these solutions . Well, these are solutions that can be used both separately and together, and the main idea was to make a means of warning about enemy reconnaissance, this means is confusing. Or warning about strike drones, passive, which can be installed on some socalled expensive samples of western equipment , including, in order to directly warn the operator, and not to distract him from visiting some radioelectronic intelligence, with a guaranteed warning, this interested western partners, because the systems that are delivered, they are basically, well, empty from this point of view, no. Such a fullfledged Threat Detection tool, as far as hydra is concerned, also, again, while from the point of view of the western partners, they have only just started to analyze the expediency of protection against fpv, their equipment, although the footage from the battlefield shows, and these tsar mangalas were used, well, all parties are trying to do something and are destroyed. Confirmation that, well, against such serious means as a modern battlefield tank , some cheap means of destruction, effective destruction can be used, but with regard to the hydra and plato in our country, we are undergoing codification accordingly, and now we will expect a delivery order for to provide for our needs, our forces, words, mr. Yaroslav, we still have a few minutes, i would like to. Ask about the actions of the enemy, i know that you follow quite closely all the trends in the enemy, in the digital segment, i would like to ask you if there are any things on which we need to Pay Attention to and would like to ask, does the enemy use automated control systems on the battlefield, does this segment somehow exist in the enemy, or is it something that is announced, but does not work . Well, they started the system that was announced, they have several systems, but with different effectiveness, there are automated control systems of air defense, air situation, they were worked out even before a fullscale invasion and they work, if it was not the first day, battlefield systems have not, as far as i know, shown such. Effectiveness in real application, now the enemy is actively working on developing them, and as far as i know, well, they are already more or less moving from the prototype stage to the stage of such a thirdseries application, the reason for this is more in the means of communication, that is, blood vessels, which should transmit this information, than in the maturity itself. Systems and a little bit about the russian rep. At a certain stage it was such a fetish. It was said that russia invested a lot in these systems. Do we have the potential to either achieve parity with the enemy, or to find some Asymmetric Solutions that allow this accumulated potential of the enemy slave to be somehow minimized. Do we have any solutions in this direction . Well, i. To be honest, well, as of now, i ve said and ill say what we can call to voice a certain parity in our approaches, understanding under reb, and both systems of electronic intelligence and systems of some kind of electronic influence, i would call that this is a certain parity, it exists, vowels. Loud statements at the beginning, not everything that was voiced and demonstrated on the training grounds showed its effectiveness on the battlefield, and saying not everything, we can say and affirm that far from everything, at the same time it is not necessary to somehow minimize the capabilities of our enemy, is individual systems, which still demonstrate their certain effectiveness, one way or another, we can. We observe false targets, highspeed false targets flying over kyiv region and there are reports or some alerts, we see that too. Electronic warfare, we see some successes in suppressing our reconnaissance aircraft, countering our fpv, etc. , etc. , this all speaks to the real actual capabilities of such an invisible segment as electronic warfare, defeating our warehouses, targeting reconnaissance aircraft, these are also all elements, which rely on radioelectronic development in in this case, therefore, we have some kind of parity with the enemy, and. While we keep it, of course, we would like to get a qualitative advantage. It is more difficult for us, because we are actually completely within the reach of some means of strategic, strategic means of defeating the enemy, this does not allow us to deploy any longterm production or , well, greatly, lets say, complicates this process, nevertheless, we also have something that we can proud yet, but. We cant talk yet, mr. Yaroslav, thank you very much for the inclusion, for the explanation, for the fact that your company does everything in order for those things that already work on boribo to appear, and those that we will be proud of in the near future. Let me remind you that it was yaroslav kalinin, the director of the company infozakhist, a private Company Whose experience adds power to our military, and actually surprises the nato countries, which, as we can see, have not had time to adapt the advanced experience that our. Developers, these were the main military results of the day, more international and economic news, more on vasyl zimas big broadcast, so stay tuned on the espresso channel. Thanks to serhii zagorets, thanks to his guests, today was a long day. But a thorough conversation, let me remind you that today the enemy launched an insidious terrorist attack on kharkiv, targeting the printing house, where, by the way, at one time my books and books by many ukrainian writers were printed, and in fact, i think that there is no such ukrainian writer of books , whose books were not printed in these bookstores, and books that you may not have read were printed in these bookstores, but you know, books are painful, but they can still be printed, unfortunately, for. The people, the workers of this printing house, in particular, the enemy is insidious, the enemy continues to destroy all ukrainian people, bookstores, printers, coffee shops, buildings, and therefore it is very important to support today, well, first of all, the sum of condolences due to another attack of the enemy on kharkiv, Kharkiv Region, because of the next victims, but it is important in this situation not to give up , you know, there are good words in the bible, if hands are down, the roof will leak, well, this is figuratively said, not meant. It will flow in the head one way or another, but as long as the hands are supported, then there is hope, and that is important to us to support the armed forces of ukraine, and since we are not on the front line in the rear now, we have to do what we can do, because only this synergy of the front and the rear, it gives results, if there is a slack somewhere, then, then we can only hope for something, and we have to act and achieve results, therefore , we ask you to join the collection for the repair of heavy Armored Vehicles in the combat zone. Operations in the solodarsk and zaporizhzhia directions , the repair and recovery regiment works mainly on the contact line or in the gray zone in the open air under any what kind of weather in the afternoon and at night silazon, i think you understand this already in the third year of a fullscale war, everyone understands everything roughly, not everyone has felt, not everyone knows what is there on the front, but they roughly understand that all together there are constant risks, because it is actually not controlled by none of the parties, neither by our military, nor by the aggressors troops, so it is even more dangerous. Dangerous zone and for the emergency recovery and return to the battlefield of damaged military equipment, in particular tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, a minibus is needed, which will deliver mobile, repair teams and equipment to the combat zone, as well as pneumatic hydraulic jacks for prompt repair of foreign equipment. Eh, here it is important to understand that this is a technique that can be repaired if there are any nonessential damages, well, it can break, maybe something flew somewhere, and it also needs to be repaired for. To start a working apc and a nonworking apc are Different Things , a working armored personnel carrier, it shoots, and, for example, there is an armored personnel carrier, an armored personnel carrier, an armored personnel carrier transports troops, but we understand very well that the sooner the tank will work, the sooner the bmp will work and discharge its machine gun there, the sooner the armored personnel carrier will support the troops and take them away, the more important it is, please join us, now we have it, so now we. Should have started from sumy oblast, because there are also certain threats there, and there, also today, there was a statement about whether the enemy has plans to advance again into sumy region, but we will now talk about uh. About a slightly different topic, and then we will move on to, now one second, and then , if everything goes well, we will move to sumy region. Dmytro barkara, media expert of the institute of mass information. I congratulate you, mr. Dmytro. I welcome you, mr. Vasyl, and i also welcome dear tv viewers to this studio. Thank you. And today, on the one hand, the media issue is important, first of all for the media, and on the other hand, it is about war, politics, and peoples lives. So, we are glad, the National Television council. Radio broadcasting, which is actually supposed to monitor, deal with , issue licenses, take away licenses, has published proposals on how to cover news under martial law, among them are the words, who are not recommended to call russian invaders, murderers, terrorists, absolute nonhumans, this is what i say so far very softly, euphemistically, because they can create additional tension in society, i will not take you a lot of time to read all that is meant tell me, please, here is this recommendation, or how it is, this is a recommendation and a proposal, how it should be perceived, what it can be caused and motivated, and the final one, so as not to give the opportunity to create additional tension in society and cause some the reaction of the enemy, this is the logic, that is , if we do not use these words, it would mean that the enemy will become gentler, there will be no tension in society, please, you know, well, i would not focus here on the attitude of the enemy towards us and the situation in russian society, but in general i would perceive this recommendation as appropriate and adequate, maybe something in the motivational part of this document will be corrected by the National Council, but the point is that in general these are quite appropriate advice considering the situation in ukrainian. In society, it is important for ukrainian consumer of information, for the ukrainian population, this is about the abusive, emotional vocabulary that makes no sense, no, well, for quality journalism, it makes no sense to use it for several reasons, one of them is the devaluation of the efforts of our military, when we belittle. And the capabilities of the enemy army like this, that is, by calling them there with various derogatory epithets, in this way we also in a certain way devalue the efforts of our military, who are allegedly fighting not against a real army, but against a wild crowd that is us, which is not true , because often and often we heard from the military. Such thoughts and such comments, because they often have to deal with the real army, with real specialists in military affairs, and not just with some poor mobilized people , whatever it may be, besides, besides, such vocabulary, it displaces , apparently, well, how the understanding in. Distorts, makes information not so honest, open, accessible, but simply refers, appeals to the emotions of the audience, causes some emotions, but is not informative, and the aspect that concerns the situation or there in general, as far as the russians are concerned, then. For us, such vocabulary is inappropriate given the fact that then russian propaganda has the opportunity, it receives food in order to use it against us, distort information, and based on the use using such vocabulary in our media, to prove our aggressiveness in the international arena, to pretend that we are allegedly guilty of something, well, in the sense of an attack on ukraine. To prove this , this expression russian dehumanization comes to mind, and that is, it gives a reason to expose ukraine to the ukrainian media, well actually how aggressive it is to prove that we are nationalists there and all these are a number of these narratives, and actually, as far as i know, espresso was not used by the majority at least. In most of its materials such words, and the institute of mass information has never, rather, always recommended the use of such vocabulary and. The media that constantly manipulate such vocabulary have never been and are not included in our list of responsible honest media, so going back to the beginning, i would perceive these recommendations of the National Council on television and Radio Broadcasting as appropriate and entirely adequate, but actually i also try to use such words as terrorist. Lets say, if it really is a terrorist attack, like todays attack on kharkiv, it is not a military operation by the army, it is a terrorist attack by a group of terrorists, well, russia is actually a terrorist state, but of course, but on the other hand, if we are talking about these words, because the National Council recommends it for the media, but society perceives it as if we cant, and these bloggers are different people who are leaders of public opinion, activists, what kind of people who lead. Youtube channels and these words are not possible, but if we remember, i remember very well the year 22, when these songs started, which spread on all radio stations, i dont now i will sing them over, of course, but there appeared these words about chumps, about orcs and such and such and such and such, these words were used, by the way, by the way, then a person who spoke from the office of the president , who was taken on work office of the president oleksiy aristovych, he very often used such derogatory words, we remember his phrase, russian the army is not strong, but it is long, but now this person is abroad, in my opinion he is sitting in the states, i am obviously not so long to reach the states, it is long enough to reach, say, to vovchansk arstovych, that is already it doesnt matter, im leading to the fact that the authorities tolerated it, do you remember these songs with the statements of that amazing person, a businessman from kirovohrad oblast povorysnyuk, who was called differently there, and it all happened, and it survived. And survived today in some media that actively use it, so i only to the point, i emphasize that from the beginning it was tolerated by the authorities, or at least by the people who spoke on behalf of the authorities, and they already picked up on it, how would it be important to speak today instead, in your opinion, well, in addition to acceptable words, and on the other hand side, is it really true that if ukraine, at least in its official mass media, which have licenses and. Will use such words, it will somehow sober up society, relieve tension, which, what will be achieved is the most i