Nice. Maybe michael told them to do it, he goes on to say. Maybe he did, because he is always wanted to do what im doing, run for president , that is. He also went on to say, that the quality of the organizations report something quote, so bad. Now i reached out to Mike Bloomberg for comment. Mike and the organization, they are declining to get involved in this one. A guy who knows a whole lot how to calculate ones worth, steve forbes. Home to forbes media. We have julie row beginsky. Why is the discrepancy. Donald is saying im worth more than 10. Bloomberg says, 3. You guys are at 4. 1 billion. How do you calculate this. One is the value of his personal brand, and two, in terms of how much percentage ownership does he have of these buildings and the like. And we thought we were being conservative at 4. 1. I never thought i would be saying gee, youre underestimating Donald Trumps wealth but i think bloomberg has done it. Trish you think theyre underestimating really significantly . Were sticking by our figure, 4, 4. 1. Were in the a whole midst of doing new forbes 400 list. Well have new numbers out in a few months, a couple of months. But nothing that is filed with the fec has changed our estimate of donalds wealth. We think bloomberg underestimated it. Trish so it sound like youre saying the donald may have a point in what he is saying here. Do you think that, you know, they may have had an editorial bias in terms of wanting him to be worth less than he really is . I dont think so. I think they looked at fec filings and went on the low side and most likely went on low side for everything. As trump said one of the colleagues in the real estate business said i will pay you 2. 9 billion for all your holdings. Donald said, no way. Trish what about Donald Trumps comment, he is doing what Mike Bloomberg always wanted to do, run for president . Well, i mean donald trump knows exactly what pressure points to hit here when he attacks. I think that, there might be a little bit of truth to it. Mike bloomberg probably has wanted to run for president. He had rumors bit. You know in the past but i think this is just trying to get under Michael Bloombergs skin to cause a fight, to cause more headlines, to draw him, you know, into the story so he could have a billionaire versus billionaire and live showdown. Trish thats what were talking about. Billionaire on billionaire, right . Mike bloomberg is smart not to get too involved in this one. Julie roginsky, go into what the koch brotherses are doing, looks like theyre trying to cut off the Trump Organization from their data, from their big event out in ohio, americans for prosperity where they invite all the republican candidates to come up and speak and not extending that invitation to donald trump. Why not . Because theyre smart businessmen. They know a bad stock when they see it. A stock that will not go long. This one is not, sorry, donald trump. Cant wait for the hate tweets. Trish oh. Look, they understand, look at polling, they see trump dice in general election running against Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton. Trish well you know, they probably they probably think there is better horse they can get behind. There are 15 other people trish you have to get donald trump out of the way first. I dont know that is going to be easy, steve. No. I think he surprised everyone. Not sure he surprised himself. He certainly surprised whole political world how much he has moved up so quickly and what he has tapped into. Bernie sanders in his own way on the democrat side done it as well. Huge dissatisfaction. Huge worry about where the country is going. Huge disgust with the political system. He tapped into it. Now how he carries it on with debates starting on august 6th on fox debate. Well see. He is one leading the charge. Trish antiestablishment. Antipolitician. He is the guy who just says it like it is. And americans right now they like that. Listen what Rudy Giuliani had to say about donald trump this morning. Donald trump is not ahead just because of celebrity. He is ahead because he is raising basic issues in way people can understand and relate to whereas the other candidates are not doing that effectively. Immigration in particular. Trish in other words, so donald trump will come out there, say it all, sometimes just aint pretty but he is out there, ron, saying things that are on peoples minds . Yeah, that is exactly right. People out there are mad as hell at washington and he is basically saying he could take a wrecking ball to the whole city. I think that is what is really interesting to people. Plus he is hollywood media trained. You know, he had plenty of training and understands how to get, draw people in into headlines. So i think people are, like to have direct clear talk what he is saying. I dont think theyre necessarily bothered by the attacks he is making on people like senator mccain. Trish i just question whether it really is or whether this is sort of who he is . Because, i actually think he said some stuff that he might, privately feel a little bit bad about. The stuff about mccain not being the kind of guy that you want to honor and who is not really a hero just because he was prisoner. That kind of stuff, he seem toed dial it back when he spoke later to our bill oreilly. There have been a few others obviously. The comment about mexicans being rapists, things that he just kind of went offthecuff. He said, but he didnt think first, steve . Well, he is learning now the difference between when youre not a candidate and when you are a candidate. Things you toss off, either among friends. Even before groups. When youre not running it really doesnt matter. When youre running it takes on a huge significance. Trish as we look forward even though he made, i think done wrong things on mccain and the like and some of his characterizations the very fact thousand, the reason he survived it so far and prospered he seen as you say, a wrecking ball saying what people are believing. That the system is rotten. Somebody is out there punching. Even they might not like some of the punches they like the idea punches are being thrown. Trish i will give it a shot, i will give it a shot. Then all of sudden he started to see this poll data come in and he realizes, he is not just given a shot, but he is has really got a shot. Take a look at this, guys. Latest poll in New Hampshire has him at 24 , when you look at National Polling data. He is at 20 . But it is still, it is pretty significant. That said when you actually put him in a matchup against Hillary Clinton, people arent as convinced. Why not, julie . Look. There is very interesting article in the Washington Post today about focus group that was done where a woman, in the focus group said he is one ever us, despite the wealth he is one of us. That is astounding comment. Mitt romney lost the election in part because people didnt think he is one of them. Wealthy people have run before including one to my left. To your right. To my right politically but my left physically. Weve consistently seen this but i rarely seen somebody who engenders that kind of response. He is one of us. People respond to that. He is doing a masterful job. He is masterful trish he lives here in new york. He is one of the wall street guys. He made a ton of money. Yeah. Trish he is still worth more than anybody else who i dont know your latest, i havent checked those, steve. He is one of the wealthiest guys to ever run for president but people dont see him that way. Ron, they see him like a regular joe that can relate to them. That is the kind of breakthrough you need in politics. Yeah, i think thats right. He is connecting with people right now and saying what they want to hear. I think republican primary voters would be surprise toed know that he was, that he has supported democrats in the past. That he really backed Hillary Clinton in the 2008 primary. And that she sat in the front row of his wedding back in 2005. I think republican primary voters would be surprised to know that. And i think once that starts coming out, that information about, the fact he is not necessarily a diehard conservative like them, that is when his poll numbers could actually drop. Trish were watching all of it. Were looking forward to a big debate. Steve and julie, are sticking with me. Were awaiting president ial candidate Hillary Clinton. She just wrapped up a closeddoor meeting with aflcio officials. Well be monitoring her speech there for comments and we will take you there, she says anything interesting. But continuing with Hillary Clinton, developing right now, fresh allegations of impropriety surrounding Hillary Clinton and her ties to the Swiss Investment bank ubs. According to a wall street journal report the swiss called secretary clinton shortly after she was sworn into office to ask her to intervene on the banks behalf. The issue here . The irs wanted the swiss bank to turn over records for 52,000 Bank Accounts that the irs was suspicious about. But, that is against of course all the secret Swiss Banking rules. So ubs it was stuck. Either violate swiss secrecy laws or refuse to turn over the information and you will Face Criminal Charges here in u. S. Federal court which might have gotten the bank banned from doing business in the u. S. All together. But turns out they had another option here. Call hillary. Hillary clinton saved the day for ubs. Irs agreed to settle on less than 10 of the accounts they want toed get information on. Hillary clinton was the one who brokered this deal. That is not all, folks. Now the story gets even more interesting, perhaps more sketchy. Suddenly, the Clinton Foundation started getting lots of donations from united bank of switzerland. Hmmm. 600,000 worth of donations in 2014. Compare that to the paltry 60,000 the foundation got prior to what some might call a pretty big favor for the swiss. Meanwhile bill clinton profited. Ubs suddenly became his biggest source of speaking income. 1 1 2 Million Dollars for a few q a sessions. So the question here, did Hillary Clinton use her position as secretary of state inappropriately . Is this quid pro quo . Steve moore joining us from the heritage foundation. Julie still hire. Along with steve forbes. Steve, it doesnt sound good. Yeah, sure doesnt. Look, this just reeks of cronyism, right . You told the whole story. It is cash in, cash out system with the clint tongs. We knew this from the moment the whole controversy was sparked with the Clinton Foundation, the fact that all this money was pouring into the Clinton Foundation in exchange for political favors. This is how the clintons who are both political figures have amassed tens of millions of dollars of income. I dont know all the facts yet, trish, none ever us do but looks likes clintons are onehalf step in front of the law here. Trish julie, she would have had to know some day she would run for president , she had to know stuff like this would come out and just wouldnt smell right. I dont get it. I never got it before she announced running for president. Giving speeches after she left to the state department, i said why would she do this if she intends to run for president even if there is nothing nefarious bit. Per essential is so bad. I did this for a living. Youre a democratic strategist. You would say dont go near this stuff . Of course i would advise her never to go near this stuff. I dont understand why she did. She wanted money. Wanted money but you know, steve, if youre running for office there are certain things in life you have to give up and this is number one. Right. Trish do they think they can get away with this stuff . Think about the history of the clintons, lets face it, they have gotten away with a lot, right . Is this just one more thing they figured steve forbes could kind of get away with, maybe. I dont think they even really thought it through. Trish wow. Since there wasnt a real quid pro quo where i gave you cash in an envelope or Something Like that in days of old. Why wouldnt i give a speech . Why wouldnt i get a donation . Trish they dont get the basic conflict of interest in that . You think they dont even get that . They dont even know this is wrong . They have been doing it for a number of years. He is out of office. So no big deal, there, as julie said, she is unking are for office, mitt romney very much to his regret if you run for office you clean up what you own overseas. You do a lot of things you may not like to do but if youre serious about it, you do it, give it up. Guys trish hang on one second, steve. Well get back to the thought in a second. This is her just the other day, folks. Prosperity cant be just for ceos and hedge fund managers. Democracy cant be just for billionaires and corporations. Trish all right. And yet, she is the one meddling on ubss behalf to protect billionaire tax evaders. You know, she claims that she is out there, wants to rail against the 1 , yet at the same time she is getting money from the 1 . Getting 600 haircuts, shutting down Bergdorf Goodman salon here in new york city. Shy does not have, doesnt have bills charm. Look at trouble bill got into with the airport haircut. You remember that 20 years ago . Before you were born. But shutting down the l. A. Airport to get a haircut. Grief he took for that. You think with that history she wouldnt go near anything prominent to get her hair done. There are two things should be of note. One is the clinton scandals are pretty much baked into her numbers. Trish really . People are like they are, they are and that is what i think the campaign is counting on to some extent. That is why you havent seen benghazi percolate in the polls. This will probably not percolate. This is built in. The difference her talking about it getting 600 haircuts and mitt romney, 47 , she is trying to advocate ostensibly will be helping middle class and others where he wasnt. I think that is the difference where she is able to get away with it. But then raises hypocrisy factor because she has made, at least, mitt romney made his money in business. She made all of her money off her political connections right . From the first time she turned 1000 into Million Dollars in the cattle futures. Remember that happened 30 years ago. This has been a pattern. As we find out more, trish, a Clinton Foundation, it appears to be Money Laundering operation, right . It appears to get money into clinton pockets. Trish what i found stunning by the way, steve, i found stunning was the few dollars actually going to charity. When you look at ratio, this is inverse of what a normal charity would be doing. They were spending more money on overhead, health hair and employee salaries, much more than on the charity itself. Can i make one other point about trish, that looks borderline illegal . Look, Hillary Clinton and bill clinton are a husband and wife team, right . And the fact that she is giving political favors to ubs and he is getting a Million Dollars in speaking fees trish million 1 2. That could be illegal. Trish well, you bring up, a very important thing. People have been calling for investigation into the Clinton Foundation. Called graft. Trish in all of this, for sure. I want to get back to julie, talking about the polling numbers. Julie you were saying it is baked in. I dont know, look at Bernie Sanders pulling ahead there in New Hampshire, that surprises me. I made this comment yesterday. I am from New Hampshire, even if theyre democrats they are fiscally conservative in New Hampshire. Bernie sanders, a socialist, god forbid, vermont, New Hampshireites, granite staters will not go for that. First of all democratic primary so not your typical fiscally conservative New Hampshire electorate. But more importantly, with Bernie Sanders, Bernie Sanders much like donald trump has captured imagination of the base. Whether he can keep it going or not im skeptical that he can but certainly does speak to the base that had skepticism about hillary for a very long time. Look at the end of the day, steve, you brought up cattle futures going all the way back. This is what im talking about. People are sick of Hillary Clinton, have been 25 years going back to cattle futures or theyre saying oh, god, why dont republicans move off the scandal stuff. This is same old, same old. Talk about the issues. That is what their campaign is counting on. It is eroding. Polls showed her having huge negatives in swing states like iowa and colorado show this thing is acid. It is eating away. That is why youre starting to hear talk about senator mark warner maybe going into the race. Why Mike Bloomberg. Joe biden. Democrats are starting to look, starting to say, this is not good. She, it is eating away at her support. Trish who else . Biden . Elizabeth warren . They need i said day one crazy for either party to put all eggs in one basket. Primary is preseason, try it before you play in the world series which is the general election. Hillary hurt herself a lot with what she did this week with the Capital Gains proposal which steve forbes and i written about. It is nutty. A 40 capital gain tax would destroy investment base this country, right, steve . We did that in 70s. Trish we have breaking news. Senate approving a shortterm highway bill to avoid shut down of road program. It was threemonth bill.